[TheList] Fwd: Tait FENZ Selcall - Meaning of Status Messages

Mon Feb 21 13:33:58 AEDT 2022

Thanks Mark,
yeah I was aware.of the red/white fleet differences, my intent was more of a 'universal' decoder.  It needs reworking, I just haven't done it to my setup yet if I'm being honest.  my Callsigns are kinda all over the show, so I'll probably sit down and work on it when I move into CHCH city where I should have better coverage for decoding..  my Seldec setup currently is super janky, I use the I-band link which appears to fall over sometimes, or the PC crashes and I don't notice. 

If anyone actually uses this, you should treat it more as a getting started guide, than anything.. and like Mark mentions, in a few years with NGCC coming, it'll all go out the window anyway. Be interesting to see what FENZ do, I'd assume they'll use MDC for statuses, and maybe look at the likes of a similar setup to MMR/RMR (Victorias GRN) with dispatch and fireground channels over the network, although I assume the 3 zones of Simplex for fireground works well for them, maybe they'll just keep it like now
Richard / Z
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On 21 February 2022 2:22:53 pm NZDT, Mark Foster <blakjak at gmail.com> wrote:
>Just a comment,
>There's two common programming sets on FENZ LMR... basically 'red fleet'
>(trucks)' and 'white fleet' (cars and executives).
>Due to a limited amount of programmable memory and/or combinations of tones
>available (IIRC?) the programming differs. White fleet radios can't
>transmit the codes for arrival messages (K55 66 77 88 99) and Red fleet
>radios can't transmit some other codes including, for example, K6.
>So you may hear a fire appliance verbally indicating 'K6', usually with a
>time attached, and Comms will manually set their status to 'available on
>pager'.  Which tells ICAD not to indicate a verbal dispatch as being
>required, and they're off-station so their bells won't go up, but pagers
>will still go off etc.  When not K6 (away from truck) they're either in the
>appliance K4/K3 (and so someone's listening to the radio) or they're on
>station (K7 or K9 if at someone elses station on cover).  Truck on K7 or K9
>will set off relevant station bells and PA on dispatch.
>
>White fleet vehicles such as those operated by support staff (VSO's and
>Fire Investigators) aren't kept on station specifically, they could be
>anywhere, so their default 'off the air but available' position is K8 (on
>pager) and so their radios use this all the time. They're not
>first-response appliances so they usually don't need to transmit arrival
>messages. So it makes sense.
>
>There used be a K8 code which was 'available at residence' and when you
>were at your normal home this would be your state, this also meant you
>could be turned out by phonecall at a known location... this pretty much
>stopped being used for this purpose when pagers became universal and
>commonplace, so the K8 code was officially retired not too long ago.
>
>So K6 is regularly used but not by front-line appliances that are
>permanently manned... it represents any vehicle available for dispatch
>where the radio is not being actively monitored and thus would be for
>almost any scenario _except_ when on station.
>
>The mobility devices that're starting to go out into appliances aren't yet
>replacing LMR but I imagine that some form of digital status signalling
>will be deployed when the analogue network is retired, presumably when it's
>replaced with NGCC.  For the time being the status quo continues.
>
>Cheers
>Mark.
>
>On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 at 20:41, DogSec - Richard <richard at dogsecurity.co.nz>
>wrote:
>
>> And looks like I've made a mistake on my list, and it's been wrong in my
>> radio for years... heh
>>
>> Value     Label
>>
>> 6           Pwr Failure | K66/OnPager  (there's a limit on characters that
>> can be entered into this field so this won't fit)
>>
>> OnPager would only be used by the likes of your Fire Investigators,
>> General managers etc (let's call them specialty appliances) as they carry
>> pagers and only turn out when requested.
>>
>> With the introduction of mobility tablets, it's feasible that you may hear
>> tones less often - that was certainly the case when St John started using
>> them.
>>
>> Richard
>> On 3/02/2022 7:49 pm, BJ wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just read a guide that Richard posted a while back on how to setup a
>> TM8200 to decode the 5-tone acknowledgement string from comms.
>> (
>> https://radiowiki.org.nz/pipermail/thelist_radiowiki.org.nz/2019-October/003891.html
>> )
>>
>> He mentions that the status codes to program are as follows...
>>
>> Value 	Label
>> 0 	Station | K55
>> 1 	Turnout | K1
>> 2 	Pager LOS | K2
>> 3 	KeyCbnt | K3
>> 4 	Pgr RetOS | K4
>> 5 	Manual | K22
>> 6 	Pwr Fail | K7
>> 7 	Low Batt | K7
>> 8 	Pager | K77
>> 9 	Brglr | K9
>> 10 	K88
>> 11 	** PRIORITY **
>> 12 	Routine
>> 13 	K99
>>
>> Can anyone help me with the meaning of the abbreviated words? Some of them are pretty obvious but some like "Pgr RetOS" and "Brglr" are not. I do know what the K codes mean (from the radiowiki national data) but I'm not sure if they're related or not.
>>
>> If someone could point me in the right direction that would be great!
>>
>>  Cheers,
>>
>> BJ
>>
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