[TheList] The Radiocommunications Act

Wed Jan 30 08:35:32 AEDT 2019

Easy,  because people know their communications aren't secure - so they're looking towards digital and sometimes even encryption :)

Hell, one of our customers have a tier3 trunking system onsite and have put a different encryption key on each talkgroup - of which there are 16.    It simply isn't worth the time to even bother trying to break the key.  AOS gets rekeyed every month. 

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On 30 January 2019 9:51:12 AM NZDT, Leith Cullen <leithacullen at gmail.com> wrote:
>How is it killing the hobby?  We should be embracing change and
>adapting. 
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>Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 07:27:16 +1300
>From: Nino White <nbhunga at gmail.com>
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>Completely agree with Richard on this. Online Streaming is killing the
>hobby
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>On Wed, 30 Jan 2019, 07:23 DogSecurity - Richard
><richard at dogsecurity.co.nz
>wrote:
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>> I think we need to remember that Emergency Services should be allowed
>to
>> do their jobs unimpeded. While some would argue it keeps everyone
>honest,
>> it also can be a bad thing, and why a lot of people go digital (and
>> sometimes encrypted too)
>>
>> IE if ambulance attend a heart attack job that goes fatal, it's not
>really
>> fair that the job is streamed to the internet and someone who knows a
>> person at the address hears it and starts posting on social media
>that the
>> patient has passed away. Family then might decide to go to the
>hospital and
>> demand to see the patient who may not even be at the mortuary yet.
>There's
>> a process that needs to be followed, and jumping the gun doesn't help
>> anyone - this is one way to curb that.
>>
>> Also take a commercial customer as another example. Taxi company A
>who
>> only use voice with telephone interconnect gets called to pick up at
>an
>> address. Taxi company B has a scanner/phone streaming taxi company As
>voice
>> channel hears this and goes to the address to try beat the other
>company to
>> the fare.
>>
>> Going digital stopped this until Uniden came out with DMR capability.
>Now
>> a lot of people are choosing to go encrypted as well. Remember when
>doing a
>> MOTOTRBO codeplug, for example, adding encryption adds about 10
>seconds to
>> my job when setting up a master codeplug.
>>
>> I think that not allowing rebroadcasting is actually a good thing,
>sure it
>> inconveniences our hobby, but the people who have the license to
>these
>> channels don't care - we aren't the intended recipient.
>> Richard
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>> On 29 January 2019 11:08:07 PM NZDT, Leith Cullen
><leithacullen at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is crazy, just look at the radio feeds in the US, then look
>here.  A
>>> Stupid law stopping us for from taking something and sticking it in
>the
>>> internet...  Crazy as hell.
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>>> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 14:52:41 +1300
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>>> From: Mark Foster <blakjak at gmail.com>
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>>> I don't think there's been any particular need for a specific
>declaration
>>>
>>> for some time.
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>>>
>>>
>>> Section 78AA of the Crimes Act 1961 makes it an offense to disclose
>>>
>>> classified information.
>>>
>>>
>http://legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM7453603.html
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>>>
>>> Section 74 of the Crimes Act defines the punishment for Treason.
>>>
>>>
>http://legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM328521.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Life Imprisonment for doing it, or up to 14 years in prison for
>>> conspiracy,
>>>
>>> or up to 14 years for attempted treason (if you are a subject of the
>>>
>>> Commonwealth).
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>>>
>>>
>>> There's a whole other set of coverage if you happen to be employed
>in the
>>>
>>> Intelligence Community...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 1:56 PM Neill Ellis <tgsnoopy at gmail.com>
>wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>> > Pretty sure Treason still carries a death penalty in NZ too.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Have also signed several versions of the Declaration of Secrecy.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Neill.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > On 27/01/2019 7:08 AM, Martin Cook wrote:
>>>
>>> > > Way back in the 60's when I was a Radio Officer in the UK
>Merchant
>>>
>>> > > Navy I had to sign a document to say that I was bound by the
>"Secrecy
>>>
>>> > > of Communications Act" which meant that I was not only to
>disclose or
>>>
>>> > > use to gain a pecuniary advantage any information that I had
>received,
>>>
>>> > > either intended for me or for anyone else, but I could not even
>admit
>>>
>>> > > to the existence or reception of any information other than to
>the
>>>
>>> > > intended recipient.
>>>
>>> > >
>>>
>>> > > Later on I joined the Royal Naval Reserve as a Radio Operator
>and had
>>>
>>> > > to sign the "Official Secrets Act" which also meant that I could
>not
>>>
>>> > > tell anybody about some equipment that I had knowledge about.
>These
>>>
>>> > > acts are still in force and there is no let out clause so I
>can't tell
>>>
>>> > > anybody anything!
>>>
>>> > >
>>>
>>> > > The penalties for some of these offences are somewhat severe,
>>>
>>> > > especially in wartime. Did you know that sabotage to one of Her
>>>
>>> > > Majesty's ships still carries the death penalty?
>>>
>>> > >
>>>
>>> > > On that happy note - cheers - Martin.
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>>> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 09:38:28 +1300
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>>> So for sale or swap for why
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