[TheList] TheList Digest, Vol 94, Issue 10

DogSecurity - Richard richard at dogsecurity.co.nz
Mon Aug 14 18:30:07 AEST 2017


Nah that'll be the AOS van.  Next time Westpac hanger does an open day, 
head along, the vans always there :)


On 14/08/17 19:35, Radio Solutions wrote:
> Thank you Nino for the info about the radio deployment.
>
> I recently saw a Police van in Hamilton with a large antenna farm on 
> the roof.
> Guessing it's a mobile coms unit?
>
>
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>        1. Re: Waikato AOS incident (Nino Bianco)
>        2. Re: Waikato AOS incident (DogSecurity - Richard)
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>     Message: 1
>     Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 14:42:15 +1200
>     From: Nino Bianco <nino2678 at slingshot.co.nz
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>     Subject: Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
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>     Yes back to the radio discussion. F11 and 1D are AOS simplex
>     channels eagle
>     could have been out of range at the time while  enroute to the
>     incident
>     which explains why they were having com's issues. Also last time I
>     checked.
>     Eagle has 1 Digital VHF radio with duel heads. 1 UHF Digital radio
>     with
>     duel heads and one Lowband VHF analog radio.
>
>     On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Brendan Sheehy
>     <shiters_r_us at hotmail.com <mailto:shiters_r_us at hotmail.com>>
>     wrote:
>
>     > Back to radios..... Every officer has a digital capable
>     portable. Some
>     > vehicles are fitted out with dual installs. Some fitted with
>     only analogue
>     > some only digital. I believe the eagle is fitted with both
>     however digital
>     > would be the prefered mode of operation where available. Each
>     AOS command
>     > van has a digital repeater installed for AOS deployments.
>     > ------------------------------
>     > *From:* TheList <thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz
>     <mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz>> on behalf of Dan News <
>     > dan at dannews.co.nz <mailto:dan at dannews.co.nz>>
>     > *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 12:49:49 PM
>     > *To:* thelist at radiowiki.org.nz <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>
>     > *Subject:* Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
>     >
>     > Big brother is out to get us.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 10:47 PM, Denis Dawson
>     <ddawson at xnet.co.nz <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz>> wrote:
>     >
>     >> Yes but the Government doesn?t think that.  It has to guard
>     against all
>     >> possibilities.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> *From:* TheList [mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz
>     <mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz>] *On Behalf Of *Dan
>     >> News
>     >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 13, 2017 20:21
>     >> *To:* thelist at radiowiki.org.nz <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>
>     >> *Subject:* Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> Then what would be the point of the list in the first place? We
>     are all
>     >> responsible adults and know the limits.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Denis Dawson
>     <ddawson at xnet.co.nz <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >> There is when you share it to a 3rd party?. Like here.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> *From:* TheList [mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz
>     <mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz>] *On Behalf Of *DogSecurity
>     >> - Richard
>     >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 13, 2017 19:17
>     >> *To:* thelist at radiowiki.org.nz <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>
>     >> *Subject:* Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> Listening and streaming it are two very different things :) nothing
>     >> illegal about listening to anything on the airwaves
>     >>
>     >> ----------------------
>     >> Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse my brevity,
>     punctuation and
>     >> spelling.
>     >>
>     >> On 13 August 2017 6:36:41 PM NZST, Craig Molloy
>     <phantomdb at gmail.com <mailto:phantomdb at gmail.com>>
>     >> wrote:
>     >>
>     >> Not trying to be a party pooper here, but to sounds like you
>     guys are re
>     >> broadcasting information herd......... Keep safe.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> On 13 Aug. 2017 6:02 pm, "DogSecurity - Richard" <
>     >> richard at dogsecurity.co.nz <mailto:richard at dogsecurity.co.nz>>
>     wrote:
>     >>
>     >> I believe Eagle (at least one) do have an ESA band radio,
>     although at one
>     >> point they had two choppers, one black one was marked, wonder
>     if that's
>     >> still the case - might explain why they weren't using the
>     channel.   I'd
>     >> say the unit you heard was probably one of the AOS guys before
>     he got
>     >> geared up (but had his gear with him) could also have been DCC
>     or an
>     >> Alpha.  I know MOX is an AOS member.
>     >>
>     >> I wasn't listening last night so didn't hear all the excitement.
>     >>
>     >> On 13/08/17 17:49, Radio Solutions wrote:
>     >>
>     >> Spent a few hours listening to all this unfold last night, just
>     after
>     >> midnight. For those who aren't aware of it, the cops were
>     chasing a late
>     >> model Commodore for failing to stop after it was seen doing 90
>     in a 50 k
>     >> area.
>     >>
>     >> They followed it to the outskirts of Morrinsville, where it
>     stopped and
>     >> the driver got out and pointed what is believed to be an AK-47
>     at them and
>     >> started letting off rounds. The photos on the news sites show
>     the squad car
>     >> windscreen peppered with bullet holes.
>     >>
>     >> During all of this they called Eagle in, but were having problems
>     >> communicating with the helo and at one stage one of the senior
>     cops said to
>     >> another one that he was going to set up coms with Eagle on
>     'encrypted
>     >> channel F11'.
>     >>
>     >> It would seem then that Waikato cops have radios (perhaps not
>     issued to
>     >> everyone) which have digital capability.
>     >>
>     >> It is the first time I have ever heard a cop calling 'ten-ten' (and
>     >> calling it multiple times) on the radio and I hope I never hear
>     it again.
>     >>
>     >> It would seem that if Eagle does have an analog radio with all
>     the North
>     >> Island channels programmed, it obviously wasn't working properly.
>     >>
>     >> In a situation like this, reliable coms is imperative. At one
>     stage the
>     >> Waikato channel locked up (probably a link-line issue) and was
>     unusable for
>     >> about 5 minutes.
>     >>
>     >> I take my hat off to the bravery of these guys who put their
>     lives on the
>     >> line every day in front of loose units with guns.
>     >>
>     >>
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>     Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:21:05 +1200
>     From: DogSecurity - Richard <richard at dogsecurity.co.nz
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>     To: thelist at radiowiki.org.nz <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>
>     Subject: Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
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>     I think it depends on the area, there are still TP8100 and Orcas
>     around in the Waikato.  To be honest, I haven't looked around at
>     their belts lately.  Perhaps the GDB TP9300s have digital channels
>     in? But definitely not every officer :)
>
>     Air1Hamilton has digital P25 (VHF), P25 AOS (UHF), A-band as well
>     as the Ambulance VHF in it, it'd be fair to assume Eagle is the
>     same. Air2Hamilton doesn't have either P25 radio in it. Eagle
>     should have all radios in it, it definitely used to, as it came
>     down for Fieldays several years ago to monitor traffic flow from
>     the air - from memory using Auxiliary rather than waikato rural (I
>     mention that as that's ESA only, no UHF) I've never seen a police
>     UHF P25 codeplug, but there's no reason why they couldn't have UHF
>     analog frequencies in it.
>     Richard
>     ----------------------
>     Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse my brevity, punctuation
>     and spelling.
>
>     On 14 August 2017 1:06:42 PM NZST, Brendan Sheehy
>     <shiters_r_us at hotmail.com <mailto:shiters_r_us at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>     >Back to radios..... Every officer has a digital capable portable.
>     Some
>     >vehicles are fitted out with dual installs. Some fitted with only
>     >analogue some only digital. I believe the eagle is fitted with both
>     >however digital would be the prefered mode of operation where
>     >available. Each AOS command van has a digital repeater installed for
>     >AOS deployments.
>     >________________________________
>     >From: TheList <thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz
>     <mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz>> on behalf of Dan News
>     ><dan at dannews.co.nz <mailto:dan at dannews.co.nz>>
>     >Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:49:49 PM
>     >To: thelist at radiowiki.org.nz <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>
>     >Subject: Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
>     >
>     >Big brother is out to get us.
>     >
>     >
>     >On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 10:47 PM, Denis Dawson
>     ><ddawson at xnet.co.nz
>     <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz><mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz
>     <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz>>> wrote:
>     >Yes but the Government doesn?t think that.  It has to guard
>     against all
>     >possibilities.
>     >
>     >From: TheList
>     >[mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz
>     <mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz><mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz
>     <mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz>>]
>     >On Behalf Of Dan News
>     >Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 20:21
>     >To: thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
>     <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz><mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
>     <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>>
>     >Subject: Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
>     >
>     >Then what would be the point of the list in the first place? We
>     are all
>     >responsible adults and know the limits.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Denis Dawson
>     ><ddawson at xnet.co.nz
>     <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz><mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz
>     <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz>>> wrote:
>     >There is when you share it to a 3rd party?. Like here.
>     >
>     >From: TheList
>     >[mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz
>     <mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz><mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz
>     <mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz>>]
>     >On Behalf Of DogSecurity - Richard
>     >Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 19:17
>     >To: thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
>     <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz><mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
>     <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>>
>     >Subject: Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
>     >
>     >Listening and streaming it are two very different things :) nothing
>     >illegal about listening to anything on the airwaves
>     >
>     >----------------------
>     >Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse my brevity, punctuation and
>     >spelling.
>     >On 13 August 2017 6:36:41 PM NZST, Craig Molloy
>     ><phantomdb at gmail.com
>     <mailto:phantomdb at gmail.com><mailto:phantomdb at gmail.com
>     <mailto:phantomdb at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>     >Not trying to be a party pooper here, but to sounds like you guys are
>     >re broadcasting information herd......... Keep safe.
>     >
>     >On 13 Aug. 2017 6:02 pm, "DogSecurity - Richard"
>     ><richard at dogsecurity.co.nz
>     <mailto:richard at dogsecurity.co.nz><mailto:richard at dogsecurity.co.nz
>     <mailto:richard at dogsecurity.co.nz>>> wrote:
>     >I believe Eagle (at least one) do have an ESA band radio, although at
>     >one point they had two choppers, one black one was marked, wonder if
>     >that's still the case - might explain why they weren't using the
>     >channel.   I'd say the unit you heard was probably one of the AOS
>     guys
>     >before he got geared up (but had his gear with him) could also have
>     >been DCC or an Alpha.  I know MOX is an AOS member.
>     >
>     >I wasn't listening last night so didn't hear all the excitement.
>     >On 13/08/17 17:49, Radio Solutions wrote:
>     >Spent a few hours listening to all this unfold last night, just after
>     >midnight. For those who aren't aware of it, the cops were chasing a
>     >late model Commodore for failing to stop after it was seen doing
>     90 in
>     >a 50 k area.
>     >They followed it to the outskirts of Morrinsville, where it
>     stopped and
>     >the driver got out and pointed what is believed to be an AK-47 at
>     them
>     >and started letting off rounds. The photos on the news sites show the
>     >squad car windscreen peppered with bullet holes.
>     >During all of this they called Eagle in, but were having problems
>     >communicating with the helo and at one stage one of the senior cops
>     >said to another one that he was going to set up coms with Eagle on
>     >'encrypted channel F11'.
>     >It would seem then that Waikato cops have radios (perhaps not
>     issued to
>     >everyone) which have digital capability.
>     >It is the first time I have ever heard a cop calling 'ten-ten' (and
>     >calling it multiple times) on the radio and I hope I never hear it
>     >again.
>     >It would seem that if Eagle does have an analog radio with all the
>     >North Island channels programmed, it obviously wasn't working
>     properly.
>     >In a situation like this, reliable coms is imperative. At one
>     stage the
>     >Waikato channel locked up (probably a link-line issue) and was
>     unusable
>     >for about 5 minutes.
>     >I take my hat off to the bravery of these guys who put their lives on
>     >the line every day in front of loose units with guns.
>     >
>     >
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