[TheList] TheList Digest, Vol 94, Issue 10

Mon Aug 14 17:35:57 AEST 2017

Thank you Nino for the info about the radio deployment.

I recently saw a Police van in Hamilton with a large antenna farm on the
roof.
Guessing it's a mobile coms unit?

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 3:21 PM, <thelist-request at radiowiki.org.nz> wrote:

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> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 14:42:15 +1200
> From: Nino Bianco <nino2678 at slingshot.co.nz>
> To: thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
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> Yes back to the radio discussion. F11 and 1D are AOS simplex channels eagle
> could have been out of range at the time while  enroute to the incident
> which explains why they were having com's issues. Also last time I checked.
> Eagle has 1 Digital VHF radio with duel heads. 1 UHF Digital radio with
> duel heads and one Lowband VHF analog radio.
>
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Brendan Sheehy <shiters_r_us at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Back to radios..... Every officer has a digital capable portable. Some
> > vehicles are fitted out with dual installs. Some fitted with only
> analogue
> > some only digital. I believe the eagle is fitted with both however
> digital
> > would be the prefered mode of operation where available. Each AOS command
> > van has a digital repeater installed for AOS deployments.
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* TheList <thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz> on behalf of Dan
> News <
> > dan at dannews.co.nz>
> > *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 12:49:49 PM
> > *To:* thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
> > *Subject:* Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
> >
> > Big brother is out to get us.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 10:47 PM, Denis Dawson <ddawson at xnet.co.nz>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes but the Government doesn?t think that.  It has to guard against all
> >> possibilities.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* TheList [mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz] *On Behalf
> Of *Dan
> >> News
> >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 13, 2017 20:21
> >> *To:* thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
> >> *Subject:* Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Then what would be the point of the list in the first place? We are all
> >> responsible adults and know the limits.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Denis Dawson <ddawson at xnet.co.nz>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> There is when you share it to a 3rd party?. Like here.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* TheList [mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz] *On Behalf
> Of *DogSecurity
> >> - Richard
> >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 13, 2017 19:17
> >> *To:* thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
> >> *Subject:* Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Listening and streaming it are two very different things :) nothing
> >> illegal about listening to anything on the airwaves
> >>
> >> ----------------------
> >> Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse my brevity, punctuation and
> >> spelling.
> >>
> >> On 13 August 2017 6:36:41 PM NZST, Craig Molloy <phantomdb at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Not trying to be a party pooper here, but to sounds like you guys are re
> >> broadcasting information herd......... Keep safe.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 13 Aug. 2017 6:02 pm, "DogSecurity - Richard" <
> >> richard at dogsecurity.co.nz> wrote:
> >>
> >> I believe Eagle (at least one) do have an ESA band radio, although at
> one
> >> point they had two choppers, one black one was marked, wonder if that's
> >> still the case - might explain why they weren't using the channel.   I'd
> >> say the unit you heard was probably one of the AOS guys before he got
> >> geared up (but had his gear with him) could also have been DCC or an
> >> Alpha.  I know MOX is an AOS member.
> >>
> >> I wasn't listening last night so didn't hear all the excitement.
> >>
> >> On 13/08/17 17:49, Radio Solutions wrote:
> >>
> >> Spent a few hours listening to all this unfold last night, just after
> >> midnight. For those who aren't aware of it, the cops were chasing a late
> >> model Commodore for failing to stop after it was seen doing 90 in a 50 k
> >> area.
> >>
> >> They followed it to the outskirts of Morrinsville, where it stopped and
> >> the driver got out and pointed what is believed to be an AK-47 at them
> and
> >> started letting off rounds. The photos on the news sites show the squad
> car
> >> windscreen peppered with bullet holes.
> >>
> >> During all of this they called Eagle in, but were having problems
> >> communicating with the helo and at one stage one of the senior cops
> said to
> >> another one that he was going to set up coms with Eagle on 'encrypted
> >> channel F11'.
> >>
> >> It would seem then that Waikato cops have radios (perhaps not issued to
> >> everyone) which have digital capability.
> >>
> >> It is the first time I have ever heard a cop calling 'ten-ten' (and
> >> calling it multiple times) on the radio and I hope I never hear it
> again.
> >>
> >> It would seem that if Eagle does have an analog radio with all the North
> >> Island channels programmed, it obviously wasn't working properly.
> >>
> >> In a situation like this, reliable coms is imperative. At one stage the
> >> Waikato channel locked up (probably a link-line issue) and was unusable
> for
> >> about 5 minutes.
> >>
> >> I take my hat off to the bravery of these guys who put their lives on
> the
> >> line every day in front of loose units with guns.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> From: DogSecurity - Richard <richard at dogsecurity.co.nz>
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> Subject: Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
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> I think it depends on the area, there are still TP8100 and Orcas around in
> the Waikato.  To be honest, I haven't looked around at their belts lately.
> Perhaps the GDB TP9300s have digital channels in? But definitely not every
> officer :)
>
> Air1Hamilton has digital P25 (VHF), P25 AOS (UHF), A-band as well as the
> Ambulance VHF in it, it'd be fair to assume Eagle is the same. Air2Hamilton
> doesn't have either P25 radio in it. Eagle should have all radios in it, it
> definitely used to, as it came down for Fieldays several years ago to
> monitor traffic flow from the air - from memory using Auxiliary rather than
> waikato rural (I mention that as that's ESA only, no UHF) I've never seen a
> police UHF P25 codeplug, but there's no reason why they couldn't have UHF
> analog frequencies in it.
> Richard
> ----------------------
> Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse my brevity, punctuation and
> spelling.
>
> On 14 August 2017 1:06:42 PM NZST, Brendan Sheehy <
> shiters_r_us at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Back to radios..... Every officer has a digital capable portable. Some
> >vehicles are fitted out with dual installs. Some fitted with only
> >analogue some only digital. I believe the eagle is fitted with both
> >however digital would be the prefered mode of operation where
> >available. Each AOS command van has a digital repeater installed for
> >AOS deployments.
> >________________________________
> >From: TheList <thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz> on behalf of Dan News
> ><dan at dannews.co.nz>
> >Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:49:49 PM
> >To: thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
> >Subject: Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
> >
> >Big brother is out to get us.
> >
> >
> >On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 10:47 PM, Denis Dawson
> ><ddawson at xnet.co.nz<mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz>> wrote:
> >Yes but the Government doesn?t think that.  It has to guard against all
> >possibilities.
> >
> >From: TheList
> >[mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz<mailto:thelis
> t-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz>]
> >On Behalf Of Dan News
> >Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 20:21
> >To: thelist at radiowiki.org.nz<mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>
> >Subject: Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
> >
> >Then what would be the point of the list in the first place? We are all
> >responsible adults and know the limits.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Denis Dawson
> ><ddawson at xnet.co.nz<mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz>> wrote:
> >There is when you share it to a 3rd party?. Like here.
> >
> >From: TheList
> >[mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz<mailto:thelis
> t-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz>]
> >On Behalf Of DogSecurity - Richard
> >Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 19:17
> >To: thelist at radiowiki.org.nz<mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>
> >Subject: Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
> >
> >Listening and streaming it are two very different things :) nothing
> >illegal about listening to anything on the airwaves
> >
> >----------------------
> >Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse my brevity, punctuation and
> >spelling.
> >On 13 August 2017 6:36:41 PM NZST, Craig Molloy
> ><phantomdb at gmail.com<mailto:phantomdb at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >Not trying to be a party pooper here, but to sounds like you guys are
> >re broadcasting information herd......... Keep safe.
> >
> >On 13 Aug. 2017 6:02 pm, "DogSecurity - Richard"
> ><richard at dogsecurity.co.nz<mailto:richard at dogsecurity.co.nz>> wrote:
> >I believe Eagle (at least one) do have an ESA band radio, although at
> >one point they had two choppers, one black one was marked, wonder if
> >that's still the case - might explain why they weren't using the
> >channel.   I'd say the unit you heard was probably one of the AOS guys
> >before he got geared up (but had his gear with him) could also have
> >been DCC or an Alpha.  I know MOX is an AOS member.
> >
> >I wasn't listening last night so didn't hear all the excitement.
> >On 13/08/17 17:49, Radio Solutions wrote:
> >Spent a few hours listening to all this unfold last night, just after
> >midnight. For those who aren't aware of it, the cops were chasing a
> >late model Commodore for failing to stop after it was seen doing 90 in
> >a 50 k area.
> >They followed it to the outskirts of Morrinsville, where it stopped and
> >the driver got out and pointed what is believed to be an AK-47 at them
> >and started letting off rounds. The photos on the news sites show the
> >squad car windscreen peppered with bullet holes.
> >During all of this they called Eagle in, but were having problems
> >communicating with the helo and at one stage one of the senior cops
> >said to another one that he was going to set up coms with Eagle on
> >'encrypted channel F11'.
> >It would seem then that Waikato cops have radios (perhaps not issued to
> >everyone) which have digital capability.
> >It is the first time I have ever heard a cop calling 'ten-ten' (and
> >calling it multiple times) on the radio and I hope I never hear it
> >again.
> >It would seem that if Eagle does have an analog radio with all the
> >North Island channels programmed, it obviously wasn't working properly.
> >In a situation like this, reliable coms is imperative. At one stage the
> >Waikato channel locked up (probably a link-line issue) and was unusable
> >for about 5 minutes.
> >I take my hat off to the bravery of these guys who put their lives on
> >the line every day in front of loose units with guns.
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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