<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Thank you Nino for the info about the radio deployment.<br><br></div>I recently saw a Police van in Hamilton with a large antenna farm on the roof.<br></div>Guessing it's a mobile coms unit?<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 3:21 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thelist-request@radiowiki.org.nz" target="_blank">thelist-request@radiowiki.org.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send TheList mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: Waikato AOS incident (Nino Bianco)<br>
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From: Nino Bianco <<a href="mailto:nino2678@slingshot.co.nz">nino2678@slingshot.co.nz</a>><br>
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Yes back to the radio discussion. F11 and 1D are AOS simplex channels eagle<br>
could have been out of range at the time while enroute to the incident<br>
which explains why they were having com's issues. Also last time I checked.<br>
Eagle has 1 Digital VHF radio with duel heads. 1 UHF Digital radio with<br>
duel heads and one Lowband VHF analog radio.<br>
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On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Brendan Sheehy <<a href="mailto:shiters_r_us@hotmail.com">shiters_r_us@hotmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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> Back to radios..... Every officer has a digital capable portable. Some<br>
> vehicles are fitted out with dual installs. Some fitted with only analogue<br>
> some only digital. I believe the eagle is fitted with both however digital<br>
> would be the prefered mode of operation where available. Each AOS command<br>
> van has a digital repeater installed for AOS deployments.<br>
> ------------------------------<br>
> *From:* TheList <<a href="mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz">thelist-bounces@radiowiki.<wbr>org.nz</a>> on behalf of Dan News <<br>
> <a href="mailto:dan@dannews.co.nz">dan@dannews.co.nz</a>><br>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 12:49:49 PM<br>
> *To:* <a href="mailto:thelist@radiowiki.org.nz">thelist@radiowiki.org.nz</a><br>
> *Subject:* Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident<br>
><br>
> Big brother is out to get us.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 10:47 PM, Denis Dawson <<a href="mailto:ddawson@xnet.co.nz">ddawson@xnet.co.nz</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Yes but the Government doesn?t think that. It has to guard against all<br>
>> possibilities.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> *From:* TheList [mailto:<a href="mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz">thelist-bounces@<wbr>radiowiki.org.nz</a>] *On Behalf Of *Dan<br>
>> News<br>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 13, 2017 20:21<br>
>> *To:* <a href="mailto:thelist@radiowiki.org.nz">thelist@radiowiki.org.nz</a><br>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Then what would be the point of the list in the first place? We are all<br>
>> responsible adults and know the limits.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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>><br>
>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Denis Dawson <<a href="mailto:ddawson@xnet.co.nz">ddawson@xnet.co.nz</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> There is when you share it to a 3rd party?. Like here.<br>
>><br>
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>> *From:* TheList [mailto:<a href="mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz">thelist-bounces@<wbr>radiowiki.org.nz</a>] *On Behalf Of *DogSecurity<br>
>> - Richard<br>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 13, 2017 19:17<br>
>> *To:* <a href="mailto:thelist@radiowiki.org.nz">thelist@radiowiki.org.nz</a><br>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Listening and streaming it are two very different things :) nothing<br>
>> illegal about listening to anything on the airwaves<br>
>><br>
>> ----------------------<br>
>> Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse my brevity, punctuation and<br>
>> spelling.<br>
>><br>
>> On 13 August 2017 6:36:41 PM NZST, Craig Molloy <<a href="mailto:phantomdb@gmail.com">phantomdb@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Not trying to be a party pooper here, but to sounds like you guys are re<br>
>> broadcasting information herd......... Keep safe.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 13 Aug. 2017 6:02 pm, "DogSecurity - Richard" <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:richard@dogsecurity.co.nz">richard@dogsecurity.co.nz</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I believe Eagle (at least one) do have an ESA band radio, although at one<br>
>> point they had two choppers, one black one was marked, wonder if that's<br>
>> still the case - might explain why they weren't using the channel. I'd<br>
>> say the unit you heard was probably one of the AOS guys before he got<br>
>> geared up (but had his gear with him) could also have been DCC or an<br>
>> Alpha. I know MOX is an AOS member.<br>
>><br>
>> I wasn't listening last night so didn't hear all the excitement.<br>
>><br>
>> On 13/08/17 17:49, Radio Solutions wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Spent a few hours listening to all this unfold last night, just after<br>
>> midnight. For those who aren't aware of it, the cops were chasing a late<br>
>> model Commodore for failing to stop after it was seen doing 90 in a 50 k<br>
>> area.<br>
>><br>
>> They followed it to the outskirts of Morrinsville, where it stopped and<br>
>> the driver got out and pointed what is believed to be an AK-47 at them and<br>
>> started letting off rounds. The photos on the news sites show the squad car<br>
>> windscreen peppered with bullet holes.<br>
>><br>
>> During all of this they called Eagle in, but were having problems<br>
>> communicating with the helo and at one stage one of the senior cops said to<br>
>> another one that he was going to set up coms with Eagle on 'encrypted<br>
>> channel F11'.<br>
>><br>
>> It would seem then that Waikato cops have radios (perhaps not issued to<br>
>> everyone) which have digital capability.<br>
>><br>
>> It is the first time I have ever heard a cop calling 'ten-ten' (and<br>
>> calling it multiple times) on the radio and I hope I never hear it again.<br>
>><br>
>> It would seem that if Eagle does have an analog radio with all the North<br>
>> Island channels programmed, it obviously wasn't working properly.<br>
>><br>
>> In a situation like this, reliable coms is imperative. At one stage the<br>
>> Waikato channel locked up (probably a link-line issue) and was unusable for<br>
>> about 5 minutes.<br>
>><br>
>> I take my hat off to the bravery of these guys who put their lives on the<br>
>> line every day in front of loose units with guns.<br>
>><br>
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From: DogSecurity - Richard <<a href="mailto:richard@dogsecurity.co.nz">richard@dogsecurity.co.nz</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident<br>
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I think it depends on the area, there are still TP8100 and Orcas around in the Waikato. To be honest, I haven't looked around at their belts lately. Perhaps the GDB TP9300s have digital channels in? But definitely not every officer :)<br>
<br>
Air1Hamilton has digital P25 (VHF), P25 AOS (UHF), A-band as well as the Ambulance VHF in it, it'd be fair to assume Eagle is the same. Air2Hamilton doesn't have either P25 radio in it. Eagle should have all radios in it, it definitely used to, as it came down for Fieldays several years ago to monitor traffic flow from the air - from memory using Auxiliary rather than waikato rural (I mention that as that's ESA only, no UHF) I've never seen a police UHF P25 codeplug, but there's no reason why they couldn't have UHF analog frequencies in it.<br>
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On 14 August 2017 1:06:42 PM NZST, Brendan Sheehy <<a href="mailto:shiters_r_us@hotmail.com">shiters_r_us@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>Back to radios..... Every officer has a digital capable portable. Some<br>
>vehicles are fitted out with dual installs. Some fitted with only<br>
>analogue some only digital. I believe the eagle is fitted with both<br>
>however digital would be the prefered mode of operation where<br>
>available. Each AOS command van has a digital repeater installed for<br>
>AOS deployments.<br>
>_____________________________<wbr>___<br>
>From: TheList <<a href="mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz">thelist-bounces@radiowiki.<wbr>org.nz</a>> on behalf of Dan News<br>
><<a href="mailto:dan@dannews.co.nz">dan@dannews.co.nz</a>><br>
>Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:49:49 PM<br>
>To: <a href="mailto:thelist@radiowiki.org.nz">thelist@radiowiki.org.nz</a><br>
>Subject: Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident<br>
><br>
>Big brother is out to get us.<br>
><br>
><br>
>On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 10:47 PM, Denis Dawson<br>
><<a href="mailto:ddawson@xnet.co.nz">ddawson@xnet.co.nz</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:ddawson@xnet.co.nz">dd<wbr>awson@xnet.co.nz</a>>> wrote:<br>
>Yes but the Government doesn?t think that. It has to guard against all<br>
>possibilities.<br>
><br>
>From: TheList<br>
>[mailto:<a href="mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz">thelist-bounces@<wbr>radiowiki.org.nz</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz">thelis<wbr>t-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz</a>>]<br>
>On Behalf Of Dan News<br>
>Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 20:21<br>
>To: <a href="mailto:thelist@radiowiki.org.nz">thelist@radiowiki.org.nz</a><<wbr>mailto:<a href="mailto:thelist@radiowiki.org.nz">thelist@radiowiki.org.<wbr>nz</a>><br>
>Subject: Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident<br>
><br>
>Then what would be the point of the list in the first place? We are all<br>
>responsible adults and know the limits.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Denis Dawson<br>
><<a href="mailto:ddawson@xnet.co.nz">ddawson@xnet.co.nz</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:ddawson@xnet.co.nz">dd<wbr>awson@xnet.co.nz</a>>> wrote:<br>
>There is when you share it to a 3rd party?. Like here.<br>
><br>
>From: TheList<br>
>[mailto:<a href="mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz">thelist-bounces@<wbr>radiowiki.org.nz</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz">thelis<wbr>t-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz</a>>]<br>
>On Behalf Of DogSecurity - Richard<br>
>Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 19:17<br>
>To: <a href="mailto:thelist@radiowiki.org.nz">thelist@radiowiki.org.nz</a><<wbr>mailto:<a href="mailto:thelist@radiowiki.org.nz">thelist@radiowiki.org.<wbr>nz</a>><br>
>Subject: Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident<br>
><br>
>Listening and streaming it are two very different things :) nothing<br>
>illegal about listening to anything on the airwaves<br>
><br>
>----------------------<br>
>Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse my brevity, punctuation and<br>
>spelling.<br>
>On 13 August 2017 6:36:41 PM NZST, Craig Molloy<br>
><<a href="mailto:phantomdb@gmail.com">phantomdb@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:phantomdb@gmail.com">p<wbr>hantomdb@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>Not trying to be a party pooper here, but to sounds like you guys are<br>
>re broadcasting information herd......... Keep safe.<br>
><br>
>On 13 Aug. 2017 6:02 pm, "DogSecurity - Richard"<br>
><<a href="mailto:richard@dogsecurity.co.nz">richard@dogsecurity.co.nz</a><<wbr>mailto:<a href="mailto:richard@dogsecurity.co.nz">richard@dogsecurity.co.<wbr>nz</a>>> wrote:<br>
>I believe Eagle (at least one) do have an ESA band radio, although at<br>
>one point they had two choppers, one black one was marked, wonder if<br>
>that's still the case - might explain why they weren't using the<br>
>channel. I'd say the unit you heard was probably one of the AOS guys<br>
>before he got geared up (but had his gear with him) could also have<br>
>been DCC or an Alpha. I know MOX is an AOS member.<br>
><br>
>I wasn't listening last night so didn't hear all the excitement.<br>
>On 13/08/17 17:49, Radio Solutions wrote:<br>
>Spent a few hours listening to all this unfold last night, just after<br>
>midnight. For those who aren't aware of it, the cops were chasing a<br>
>late model Commodore for failing to stop after it was seen doing 90 in<br>
>a 50 k area.<br>
>They followed it to the outskirts of Morrinsville, where it stopped and<br>
>the driver got out and pointed what is believed to be an AK-47 at them<br>
>and started letting off rounds. The photos on the news sites show the<br>
>squad car windscreen peppered with bullet holes.<br>
>During all of this they called Eagle in, but were having problems<br>
>communicating with the helo and at one stage one of the senior cops<br>
>said to another one that he was going to set up coms with Eagle on<br>
>'encrypted channel F11'.<br>
>It would seem then that Waikato cops have radios (perhaps not issued to<br>
>everyone) which have digital capability.<br>
>It is the first time I have ever heard a cop calling 'ten-ten' (and<br>
>calling it multiple times) on the radio and I hope I never hear it<br>
>again.<br>
>It would seem that if Eagle does have an analog radio with all the<br>
>North Island channels programmed, it obviously wasn't working properly.<br>
>In a situation like this, reliable coms is imperative. At one stage the<br>
>Waikato channel locked up (probably a link-line issue) and was unusable<br>
>for about 5 minutes.<br>
>I take my hat off to the bravery of these guys who put their lives on<br>
>the line every day in front of loose units with guns.<br>
><br>
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