[TheList] Fwd: Tait FENZ Selcall - Meaning of Status Messages (DogSec - Richard)

Thu Feb 3 19:28:31 AEDT 2022

First time on TheList so not sure how to reply but I'm in digest mode.

Anyway, thanks a lot for the explanation, Rich! Now it makes sense!

Cheers,
BJ

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> Hi all,
>
> Just read a guide that Richard posted a while back on how to setup a TM8200
> to decode the 5-tone acknowledgement string from comms.
> (
>
> https://radiowiki.org.nz/pipermail/thelist_radiowiki.org.nz/2019-October/003891.html
> )
>
> He mentions that the status codes to program are as follows...
>
> Value   Label
> 0       Station | K55
> 1       Turnout | K1
> 2       Pager LOS | K2
> 3       KeyCbnt | K3
> 4       Pgr RetOS | K4
> 5       Manual | K22
> 6       Pwr Fail | K7
> 7       Low Batt | K7
> 8       Pager | K77
> 9       Brglr | K9
> 10      K88
> 11      ** PRIORITY **
> 12      Routine
> 13      K99
>
> Can anyone help me with the meaning of the abbreviated words? Some of
> them are pretty obvious but some like "Pgr RetOS" and "Brglr" are not.
> I do know what the K codes mean (from the radiowiki national data) but
> I'm not sure if they're related or not.
>
> If someone could point me in the right direction that would be great!
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> BJ
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> From: DogSec - Richard <richard at dogsecurity.co.nz>
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> Subject: Re: [TheList] Fwd: Tait FENZ Selcall - Meaning of Status
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> Damn I wrote that awhile ago haha.? What a clever guy, I'd forgotten all
> about that.
>
> Pager LOS is Loss of Signal? (I don't know how this works)
>
> Key Cabinet seems to be when the key cabinet alarm activates/deactivates.
>
> PGR RetOS is Return of signal
>
> BGLR is burglar alarm on the station activating.? The station probably
> has a normal burglar alarm (with landline/cellular for sending as all
> burglar alarms have) but an output is likely connected to the station
> radio so in effect they have a redundancy of knowing when a station
> alarm has gone off.
>
> The labels on the left of the pipe (? | ) are for stations, on the right
> are the K codes.
>
> Stations use 5tone, whereas the appliances use 13tone for transmitting
> and 5tone for receiving.? The 8200 can only decode 5tone, so it's
> decoding the stations 5tone and acknowledgements, but only decoding the
> acknowledgement back from firecomm when an appliance does a call.
>
> An example would be (this is from a logfile from 2017 - so this may not
> work now if REGN206 has changed vehicles from then - at the time it was
> running as HAMI411)
>
> C5331F1100C (REGN206 K1)?? [this is the 13tone from the appliance to
> firecomm]
>
> C55331? (REGN206 K1 Ack ACK)?? [this is the 5tone acknowledgement back
> from firecomm]
>
> so the 8200 will decode the C5533 as being REGN206, and the 1 as being
> K1 ACK
>
> Now for a station,
>
> 184411???????? Hamilton Turnout
> would decode on the radio as being 18441 Hamilton Station and the ending
> 1 is for a Turnout (IE lights activate, doors open, that type of thing)
>
> The radio doesn't know if it's decoding an appliance OR a station, so I
> matched the Status labels so it doesn't matter, you see what's happening.
>
> The type of selcall is different between 5tone and 13tone too - this way
> uses the same data as the Seldec units that Anzac Comms used to sell.?
> So if you have one of those, you can put the same info into the 8200 and
> decode correctly... it's NOT the same format as FENZ use, so if someone
> was naughty and transmitted tones, it wouldn't actually do anything on
> FENZ side.
>
> So to preemptively answer a possible question - could you use the 13tone
> instead of 5tone?? probably, in theory, however Taits are limited to 300
> entries in the receiving list so you'd (very) quickly fill that up with
> only a handful of appliances and the corresponding status.? This was the
> most efficient way of doing things.
>
> Richard.
>
> On 3/02/2022 7:49 pm, BJ wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Just read a guide that Richard posted a?while back?on how to setup a
> > TM8200 to decode the 5-tone acknowledgement string from comms.
> > (
> https://radiowiki.org.nz/pipermail/thelist_radiowiki.org.nz/2019-October/003891.html
> )
> >
> > He mentions that the status codes to program are as follows...
> > Value         Label
> > 0     Station | K55
> > 1     Turnout | K1
> > 2     Pager LOS | K2
> > 3     KeyCbnt | K3
> > 4     Pgr RetOS | K4
> > 5     Manual | K22
> > 6     Pwr Fail | K7
> > 7     Low Batt | K7
> > 8     Pager | K77
> > 9     Brglr | K9
> > 10    K88
> > 11    ** PRIORITY **
> > 12    Routine
> > 13    K99
> > Can anyone help me with the meaning of the abbreviated words? Some of
> > them are pretty obvious but some like "Pgr RetOS" and "Brglr" are not.
> > I do know what the K codes mean (from the radiowiki national data) but
> > I'm not sure if they're related or not.
> > If someone could point me in the right direction that would be great!
> > Cheers,
> > BJ
> >
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> And looks like I've made a mistake on my list, and it's been wrong in my
> radio for years... heh
>
> Value???? Label
>
> 6?????????? Pwr Failure | K66/OnPager? (there's a limit on characters
> that can be entered into this field so this won't fit)
>
> OnPager would only be used by the likes of your Fire Investigators,
> General managers etc (let's call them specialty appliances) as they
> carry pagers and only turn out when requested.
>
> With the introduction of mobility tablets, it's feasible that you may
> hear tones less often - that was certainly the case when St John started
> using them.
>
> Richard
>
> On 3/02/2022 7:49 pm, BJ wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Just read a guide that Richard posted a?while back?on how to setup a
> > TM8200 to decode the 5-tone acknowledgement string from comms.
> > (
> https://radiowiki.org.nz/pipermail/thelist_radiowiki.org.nz/2019-October/003891.html
> )
> >
> > He mentions that the status codes to program are as follows...
> > Value         Label
> > 0     Station | K55
> > 1     Turnout | K1
> > 2     Pager LOS | K2
> > 3     KeyCbnt | K3
> > 4     Pgr RetOS | K4
> > 5     Manual | K22
> > 6     Pwr Fail | K7
> > 7     Low Batt | K7
> > 8     Pager | K77
> > 9     Brglr | K9
> > 10    K88
> > 11    ** PRIORITY **
> > 12    Routine
> > 13    K99
> > Can anyone help me with the meaning of the abbreviated words? Some of
> > them are pretty obvious but some like "Pgr RetOS" and "Brglr" are not.
> > I do know what the K codes mean (from the radiowiki national data) but
> > I'm not sure if they're related or not.
> > If someone could point me in the right direction that would be great!
> > Cheers,
> > BJ
> >
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