[TheList] TheList Digest, Vol 125, Issue 11

Sun Jun 28 16:01:56 AEST 2020

How did you break it?
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From: Darryl Healy <darryl0768healy at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [TheList] TheList Digest, Vol 125, Issue 10
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Seeing as nobody is updating the subject line, I wont either.

As per the above antenna, I've had several of these and they break very
easily.......they're not worth getting for how weak they are.

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> On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 8:24 PM Mark Foster <blakjak at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > The link is worth a read, though I note Police are no longer directly
> > leading the work.
> >
> >
> https://www.reseller.co.nz/article/672291/crown-infrastructure-takes-delivery-massive-new-emergency-comms-network/
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:20 PM Glen Grenfell <grenfell.glen at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Here a link to what I was reading interesting stuff...
> >>
> https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/programmes-and-initiatives/next-generation-critical-communications-ngcc?nondesktop
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> >> Sent from my Samsung Note
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> >> On Thu, 18 Jun 2020, 17:24 , <thelist-request at radiowiki.org.nz> wrote:
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> >>>    1. Re: This is not good news (Radio Engineering)
> >>>    2. Re: This is not good news (DogSecurity - Richard)
> >>>    3. Re: TheList Digest, Vol 125, Issue 6 (Glen Grenfell)
> >>>    4. Re: This is not good news (Darryl Healy)
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> >>> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:18:39 +1200
> >>> From: Radio Engineering <radio.restorations at gmail.com>
> >>> To: thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
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> >>> The new emergency services communication network is already in the
> >>> planning stages, it has been mentioned here previously.
> >>> Ambos and Fire will be on the network which is all digital-based, but
> >>> word
> >>> is they will not be encrypted. There really is no need for them to be.
> >>> There's actually no need for Police to be encrypted either, but that's
> a
> >>> whole other argument.
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> >>> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:59:16 +1200
> >>> From: DogSecurity - Richard <richard at dogsecurity.co.nz>
> >>> To: thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
> >>> Subject: Re: [TheList] This is not good news
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> >>> Encryption itself isn't expensive at all.? You use the same radios, in
> >>> fact a lot of St John radios are already TP9400 and TM9400s, new builds
> >>> are all getting the new radios.? They will need to purchase a trunking
> >>> key per radio to use the new network, but that can be added later on
> >>> when the new codeplug is uploaded to the radio.
> >>>
> >>> I haven't done encryption on any Tx9400s, but for TM/TP93 and MotoTRBO
> >>> radios, to encrypt is literally about 5 more seconds of work for the
> >>> programmer.? Now if they use fancy high end encryption, then you use a
> >>> keyloader which is a hardware device.
> >>>
> >>> Fire will potentially have a harder time, due to the way the vehicle
> >>> wiring is installed... The story I was told is that it's cheaper for
> >>> them to repair the T2000 based equipment than to swap each vehicle over
> >>> to TM8200s (changing from an 8200 to a 9400 is straightforward as you
> >>> only need to replace the head and the body - the remote cable in
> between
> >>> is the same)
> >>>
> >>> Reports I've read is that NGCC will be RF, Cellular and satellite
> based,
> >>> however will need to be compatible with the existing P25 network in use
> >>> in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch.
> >>> On 18/06/2020 13:53, Darryl Healy wrote:
> >>> >
> >>>
> https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/radio-network-used-emergency-services-predicted-fail-2023
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Could this be something like terrestrial trunked radio or something
> >>> > more IP based?
> >>> > I doubt ambos and fire would go down the expensive ENCRYPTED route,
> >>> > sounds like a larger more secure cellular mobile based system?
> >>> >
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> >>> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 16:54:22 +1200
> >>> From: Glen Grenfell <grenfell.glen at gmail.com>
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> >>> This new system has been spoken about for some time, its will be worked
> >>> from the spark cellular network starting with police  with the long
> term
> >>> plan is to include the other services. There is a document out there
> that
> >>> explains the roll out. Cant remember the name of it.
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> https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/radio-network-used-emergency-services-predicted-fail-2023
> >>> >
> >>> > Could this be something like terrestrial trunked radio or something
> >>> more IP
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> >>> radio comms off dedicated repeaters or are they all off the cell
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