<div dir="auto">Seeing as nobody is updating the subject line, I wont either.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As per the above antenna, I've had several of these and they break very easily.......they're not worth getting for how weak they are.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 28 Jun 2020, 17:44 , <<a href="mailto:thelist-request@radiowiki.org.nz">thelist-request@radiowiki.org.nz</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send TheList mailing list submissions to<br>
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On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 8:24 PM Mark Foster <<a href="mailto:blakjak@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">blakjak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> The link is worth a read, though I note Police are no longer directly<br>
> leading the work.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.reseller.co.nz/article/672291/crown-infrastructure-takes-delivery-massive-new-emergency-comms-network/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.reseller.co.nz/article/672291/crown-infrastructure-takes-delivery-massive-new-emergency-comms-network/</a><br>
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> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:20 PM Glen Grenfell <<a href="mailto:grenfell.glen@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">grenfell.glen@gmail.com</a>><br>
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>> Here a link to what I was reading interesting stuff...<br>
>> <a href="https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/programmes-and-initiatives/next-generation-critical-communications-ngcc?nondesktop" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/programmes-and-initiatives/next-generation-critical-communications-ngcc?nondesktop</a><br>
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>>> The new emergency services communication network is already in the<br>
>>> planning stages, it has been mentioned here previously.<br>
>>> Ambos and Fire will be on the network which is all digital-based, but<br>
>>> word<br>
>>> is they will not be encrypted. There really is no need for them to be.<br>
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>>> Encryption itself isn't expensive at all.? You use the same radios, in<br>
>>> fact a lot of St John radios are already TP9400 and TM9400s, new builds<br>
>>> are all getting the new radios.? They will need to purchase a trunking<br>
>>> key per radio to use the new network, but that can be added later on<br>
>>> when the new codeplug is uploaded to the radio.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I haven't done encryption on any Tx9400s, but for TM/TP93 and MotoTRBO<br>
>>> radios, to encrypt is literally about 5 more seconds of work for the<br>
>>> programmer.? Now if they use fancy high end encryption, then you use a<br>
>>> keyloader which is a hardware device.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Fire will potentially have a harder time, due to the way the vehicle<br>
>>> wiring is installed... The story I was told is that it's cheaper for<br>
>>> them to repair the T2000 based equipment than to swap each vehicle over<br>
>>> to TM8200s (changing from an 8200 to a 9400 is straightforward as you<br>
>>> only need to replace the head and the body - the remote cable in between<br>
>>> is the same)<br>
>>><br>
>>> Reports I've read is that NGCC will be RF, Cellular and satellite based,<br>
>>> however will need to be compatible with the existing P25 network in use<br>
>>> in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch.<br>
>>> On 18/06/2020 13:53, Darryl Healy wrote:<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> <a href="https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/radio-network-used-emergency-services-predicted-fail-2023" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/radio-network-used-emergency-services-predicted-fail-2023</a><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Could this be something like terrestrial trunked radio or something<br>
>>> > more IP based?<br>
>>> > I doubt ambos and fire would go down the expensive ENCRYPTED route,<br>
>>> > sounds like a larger more secure cellular mobile based system?<br>
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>>> This new system has been spoken about for some time, its will be worked<br>
>>> from the spark cellular network starting with police with the long term<br>
>>> plan is to include the other services. There is a document out there that<br>
>>> explains the roll out. Cant remember the name of it.<br>
>>><br>
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>>> ><br>
>>> > Could this be something like terrestrial trunked radio or something<br>
>>> more IP<br>
>>> > based?<br>
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>>> With the assumption of P25 for all I'm guessing radio will not be off<br>
>>> cell<br>
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