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Seeing as nobody is updating the subject line, I wont either.<br>
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As per the above antenna, I've had several of these and they break very<br>
easily.......they're not worth getting for how weak they are.<br>
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> Bleedy brilliant scanner aerial in metal telescopic that works perfectly.<br>
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> got some off a ham that lives in paraparamu but is now sold out.<br>
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> found the exact same on Aliexpress real cheap<br>
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> RayC<br>
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> On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 8:24 PM Mark Foster <blakjak@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
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> > The link is worth a read, though I note Police are no longer directly<br>
> > leading the work.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> <a href="https://www.reseller.co.nz/article/672291/crown-infrastructure-takes-delivery-massive-new-emergency-comms-network/">
https://www.reseller.co.nz/article/672291/crown-infrastructure-takes-delivery-massive-new-emergency-comms-network/</a><br>
> ><br>
> > On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:20 PM Glen Grenfell <grenfell.glen@gmail.com><br>
> > wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> Here a link to what I was reading interesting stuff...<br>
> >><br>
> <a href="https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/programmes-and-initiatives/next-generation-critical-communications-ngcc?nondesktop">
https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/programmes-and-initiatives/next-generation-critical-communications-ngcc?nondesktop</a><br>
> >><br>
> >> Sent from my Samsung Note<br>
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> >> On Thu, 18 Jun 2020, 17:24 , <thelist-request@radiowiki.org.nz> wrote:<br>
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> >>> 1. Re: This is not good news (Radio Engineering)<br>
> >>> 2. Re: This is not good news (DogSecurity - Richard)<br>
> >>> 3. Re: TheList Digest, Vol 125, Issue 6 (Glen Grenfell)<br>
> >>> 4. Re: This is not good news (Darryl Healy)<br>
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> >>> Message: 1<br>
> >>> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:18:39 +1200<br>
> >>> From: Radio Engineering <radio.restorations@gmail.com><br>
> >>> To: thelist@radiowiki.org.nz<br>
> >>> Subject: Re: [TheList] This is not good news<br>
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> >>> The new emergency services communication network is already in the<br>
> >>> planning stages, it has been mentioned here previously.<br>
> >>> Ambos and Fire will be on the network which is all digital-based, but<br>
> >>> word<br>
> >>> is they will not be encrypted. There really is no need for them to be.<br>
> >>> There's actually no need for Police to be encrypted either, but that's<br>
> a<br>
> >>> whole other argument.<br>
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> >>> Message: 2<br>
> >>> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:59:16 +1200<br>
> >>> From: DogSecurity - Richard <richard@dogsecurity.co.nz><br>
> >>> To: thelist@radiowiki.org.nz<br>
> >>> Subject: Re: [TheList] This is not good news<br>
> >>> Message-ID: <7a9cfc5c-4b4a-2e34-ab05-c1ffc735c3c4@dogsecurity.co.nz><br>
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> >>><br>
> >>> Encryption itself isn't expensive at all.? You use the same radios, in<br>
> >>> fact a lot of St John radios are already TP9400 and TM9400s, new builds<br>
> >>> are all getting the new radios.? They will need to purchase a trunking<br>
> >>> key per radio to use the new network, but that can be added later on<br>
> >>> when the new codeplug is uploaded to the radio.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> I haven't done encryption on any Tx9400s, but for TM/TP93 and MotoTRBO<br>
> >>> radios, to encrypt is literally about 5 more seconds of work for the<br>
> >>> programmer.? Now if they use fancy high end encryption, then you use a<br>
> >>> keyloader which is a hardware device.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Fire will potentially have a harder time, due to the way the vehicle<br>
> >>> wiring is installed... The story I was told is that it's cheaper for<br>
> >>> them to repair the T2000 based equipment than to swap each vehicle over<br>
> >>> to TM8200s (changing from an 8200 to a 9400 is straightforward as you<br>
> >>> only need to replace the head and the body - the remote cable in<br>
> between<br>
> >>> is the same)<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Reports I've read is that NGCC will be RF, Cellular and satellite<br>
> based,<br>
> >>> however will need to be compatible with the existing P25 network in use<br>
> >>> in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch.<br>
> >>> On 18/06/2020 13:53, Darryl Healy wrote:<br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>><br>
> <a href="https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/radio-network-used-emergency-services-predicted-fail-2023">
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/radio-network-used-emergency-services-predicted-fail-2023</a><br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> > Could this be something like terrestrial trunked radio or something<br>
> >>> > more IP based?<br>
> >>> > I doubt ambos and fire would go down the expensive ENCRYPTED route,<br>
> >>> > sounds like a larger more secure cellular mobile based system?<br>
> >>> ><br>
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> >>><br>
> >>> Message: 3<br>
> >>> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 16:54:22 +1200<br>
> >>> From: Glen Grenfell <grenfell.glen@gmail.com><br>
> >>> To: thelist@radiowiki.org.nz<br>
> >>> Subject: Re: [TheList] TheList Digest, Vol 125, Issue 6<br>
> >>> Message-ID:<br>
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> >>> This new system has been spoken about for some time, its will be worked<br>
> >>> from the spark cellular network starting with police with the long<br>
> term<br>
> >>> plan is to include the other services. There is a document out there<br>
> that<br>
> >>> explains the roll out. Cant remember the name of it.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Sent from my Samsung Note<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> On Thu, 18 Jun 2020, 14:00 , <thelist-request@radiowiki.org.nz> wrote:<br>
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> >>> > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:53:45 +1200<br>
> >>> > From: Darryl Healy <darryl0768healy@gmail.com><br>
> >>> > To: thelist@radiowiki.org.nz<br>
> >>> > Subject: [TheList] This is not good news<br>
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> <a href="https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/radio-network-used-emergency-services-predicted-fail-2023">
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/radio-network-used-emergency-services-predicted-fail-2023</a><br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> > Could this be something like terrestrial trunked radio or something<br>
> >>> more IP<br>
> >>> > based?<br>
> >>> > I doubt ambos and fire would go down the expensive ENCRYPTED route,<br>
> >>> sounds<br>
> >>> > like a larger more secure cellular mobile based system?<br>
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> >>> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 17:02:38 +1200<br>
> >>> From: Darryl Healy <darryl0768healy@gmail.com><br>
> >>> To: thelist@radiowiki.org.nz<br>
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> >>> So is the data and satellite function going to work off cell towers and<br>
> >>> radio comms off dedicated repeaters or are they all off the cell<br>
> towers?<br>
> >>> With the assumption of P25 for all I'm guessing radio will not be off<br>
> >>> cell<br>
> >>> towers?<br>
> >>> England have terrestrial trunked radio which is more cellular than<br>
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