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Highly likely to be encrypted anyway id think. One idea is that they are 
using some of the ESC band channels as A 1/4 wave for ~250-300mhz is 
also a 1/2 wave at 500-600mhz. Would be cool if someone could do close 
call on their scanner next time they see one, might get lucky.

On 27/11/2017 6:51 p.m., Radio Solutions wrote:
> I'm only taking a tentative guess at 300 MHz.
> Two reasons - one based on the length of the antenna - it's slightly 
> longer than a 450 MHz vertical whip
> and appears to be about 1/4 wavelength at 300 megs.
> Secondly, it would not be unreasonable for the government to use 
> frequencies in a band that was fairly
> empty (I think I remember reading that the military have some channels 
> in this region).
> I may be wildly off in my theory, hence why I threw it out there for 
> anyone else who may have
> insider knowledge.
>
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>        1. Re: Fire UHF (Mark Foster)
>        2. Re: Fire UHF incident ground communications (Mark Foster)
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>     Message: 1
>     Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:57:00 +1300
>     From: Mark Foster <blakjak at gmail.com <mailto:blakjak at gmail.com>>
>     To: thelist at radiowiki.org.nz <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>
>     Subject: Re: [TheList] Fire UHF
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>     How do you figure 300Mhz? The length could be tuned for some other
>     harmonic? (I've not heard of spectrum at 300Mhz being used for
>     this sort of
>     purpose)
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>     On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 10:59 PM, Radio Solutions <
>     radio.restorations at gmail.com
>     <mailto:radio.restorations at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>     > RSM withhold a lot of information from SMART.
>     > No Police operational frequencies are listed, nor are
>     > Government/Diplomatic or some military frequencies.
>     > From a recent search I know that some Fire frequencies don't
>     show up,
>     > these may be ones which are shared with Police.
>     > Additionally, many Fire frequencies seem to be held by TeamTalk,
>     rather
>     > than Fire themselves.
>     > This suggests that TT lease them (and the infrastructure) to Fire.
>     >
>     > On a related note, if you look at the ministerial limos, they
>     all sport a
>     > small whip antenna the length of which suggests it is for
>     somewhere around
>     > the 300 MHz region.
>     > With no info available on SMART, does anyone have any inside
>     knowledge on
>     > what frequency/radios/platform they use?
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>     Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:59:24 +1300
>     From: Mark Foster <blakjak at gmail.com <mailto:blakjak at gmail.com>>
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>     Subject: Re: [TheList] Fire UHF incident ground communications
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>     Area 22 is South Canterbury.
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>     On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Shane Vickers
>     <senavick2 at gmail.com <mailto:senavick2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     > ESC band in this topic,  The original poster mentioned Area 22.
>     Can I
>     > confirm where this is?  No point getting excited if they are
>     rolling out in
>     > Wellington!
>     > Auckland is using F Band high to assist with skip issues from
>     Aussie many
>     > moons ago..
>     >
>     > I am assuming Auckland is Area 22 as they have UHF systems in
>     play..   I
>     > am could be so wrong.....
>     >
>     > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Mike Bailey <tahiini at gmail.com
>     <mailto:tahiini at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     >> My apologies - no regular operational channels. Yes some HF and
>     airband
>     >> stuff is listed, but good on ya if you've heard anything
>     operational on
>     >> it... ever.
>     >>
>     >> On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 at 09:36 Chris H <radiowiki at archnetnz.com
>     <mailto:radiowiki at archnetnz.com>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>> When you say no police frequencies at all I beg to differ on that
>     >>> statement:
>     >>>
>     >>> Here is just one search I did for Police - like page 2 of 5 or
>     >>> something.
>     >>> Previous Next
>     >>> Licence ID [image: Descending] Licence No [image: Descending]
>     Licensee [image:
>     >>> Descending] Channel [image: Descending] Ref.Freq. (MHz) [image:
>     >>> Descending] Location [image: Descending] Grid Reference [image:
>     >>> Descending] Licence Type [image: Descending] Status
>     >>> 19203 96116 NEW ZEALAND POLICE ACX45 119.100000 TAURANGA
>     POLICE STATION BD37
>     >>> 795250 Aero Base (Off Route) Current
>     >>> 23895 97565 NEW ZEALAND POLICE ACX45 119.100000 MT CARGILL
>     CE17 101239 Aero
>     >>> Base (Off Route) Current
>     >>> 23895 97565 NEW ZEALAND POLICE ARX52 131.300000 MT CARGILL
>     CE17 101239 Aero
>     >>> Base (Off Route) Current
>     >>> 24086 125062 NEW ZEALAND POLICE ACX45 119.100000 SUGARLOAF
>     BX24 717721 Aero
>     >>> Base (Off Route) Current
>     >>> 28430 92397 NEW ZEALAND POLICE ACX45 119.100000 NEW PLYMOUTH
>     POLICE
>     >>> STATION BH29 927760 Aero Base (Off Route) Current
>     >>> 28430 92397 NEW ZEALAND POLICE ACX5 118.100000 NEW PLYMOUTH POLICE
>     >>> STATION BH29 927760 Aero Base (Off Route) Current
>     >>> 28430 92397 NEW ZEALAND POLICE ARX52 131.300000 NEW PLYMOUTH
>     POLICE
>     >>> STATION BH29 927760 Aero Base (Off Route) Current
>     >>> 28430 92397 NEW ZEALAND POLICE ACX41 119.000000 NEW PLYMOUTH
>     POLICE
>     >>> STATION BH29 927760 Aero Base (Off Route) Current
>     >>> 29066 92399 NEW ZEALAND POLICE ACX45 119.100000 STRATFORD
>     POLICE STATION BJ30
>     >>> 105448 Aero Base (Off Route) Current
>     >>> 29066 92399 NEW ZEALAND POLICE ARX52 131.300000 STRATFORD
>     POLICE STATION BJ30
>     >>> 105448 Aero Base (Off Route) Current
>     >>> 29066 92399 NEW ZEALAND POLICE ACX5 118.100000 STRATFORD
>     POLICE STATION BJ30
>     >>> 105448 Aero Base (Off Route) Current
>     >>> 29066 92399 NEW ZEALAND POLICE ACX41 119.000000 STRATFORD
>     POLICE STATION BJ30
>     >>> 105448 Aero Base (Off Route) Current
>     >>> 30121 126153 NEW ZEALAND POLICE ACX45 119.100000 MAUNU MT AX30
>     113444 Aero
>     >>> Base (Off Route) Current
>     >>> 30121 126153 NEW ZEALAND POLICE ARX52 131.300000 MAUNU MT AX30
>     113444 Aero
>     >>> Base (Off Route) Current
>     >>> 31640 92401 NEW ZEALAND POLICE ARX52 131.300000 HAWERA POLICE
>     STATION BK30
>     >>> 103172 Aero Base (Off Route) Current
>     >>> 31640 92401 NEW ZEALAND POLICE ACX45 119.100000 HAWERA POLICE
>     STATION BK30
>     >>> 103172 Aero Base (Off Route) Current
>     >>> 31640 92401 NEW ZEALAND POLICE ACX5 118.100000 HAWERA POLICE
>     STATION BK30
>     >>> 103172 Aero Base (Off Route) Current
>     >>> 31640 92401 NEW ZEALAND POLICE ACX41 119.000000 HAWERA POLICE
>     STATION BK30
>     >>> 103172 Aero Base (Off Route) Current
>     >>> 32224 135095 NEW ZEALAND POLICE ARX52 131.300000 PAPAROA BT19
>     636042 Aero
>     >>> Base (Off Route) Current
>     >>> 32311 97621 NEW ZEALAND POLICE ARX52 131.300000 AUCKLAND BA32
>     569204 Aero
>     >>> Base (Off Route) Current
>     >>> Previous Next
>     >>>
>     >>> On 23/11/2017 09:07 AM, Mike Bailey wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>> RSM work in mysterious ways. You'll notice they don't list any
>     Police
>     >>> frequencies at all. I wonder if this falls under the same sort
>     of category
>     >>> - that its RSM approved (lets face it, Fire wouldn't go rogue on
>     >>> frequencies), and its just not published for privacy and
>     security of
>     >>> communications?
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 at 08:57 Grant Carroll
>     <grant.carroll at xtra.co.nz <mailto:grant.carroll at xtra.co.nz>>
>     >>> wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>>> Hi all,
>     >>>>
>     >>>> I'm a bit confused as well.!
>     >>>>
>     >>>> On the RSM website the frequencies assigned to Fire and
>     Emergency New
>     >>>> Zealand between 492.21875MHz and 497.19375MHz are shown as
>     "Land Mobile -
>     >>>> mobile transmit" and the repeater frequencies don't start
>     until 498.800MHz.
>     >>>> So how are the lower frequencies being used as "portable
>     frequencies" for
>     >>>> incident ground communications?
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Cheers.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Grunter1.
>     >>>>
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