[TheList] TheList Digest, Vol 94, Issue 12

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Would the vans also serve as a command post for major incidents as well? 
If so I would imagine there is also a VHF or two for communicating on 
ambo channels and with fire portables. Possibly another ESA band radio 
dedicated to fire comms.

On 15/08/2017 8:39 p.m., DogSecurity - Richard wrote:
>
> I'd guess they have UHF and ESA in the front for driving, then the 
> same in the back.  I thought they had some type of mobile repeater in 
> the vehicle too, so that will be two aerials, unless the repeater has 
> a duplexer in it.  So that's 5 aerials (if not 6 for if not using a 
> duplexer) plus they'll have one or two cellular. Each RT should have 
> it's own transmitting antenna, unless you use a combiner (but there's 
> a lot of loss, and I understand they aren't cheap)
>
> The reason for on the roof will be so they can get away with 
> quarterwave aerials, so aerials don't need to be as long.  An ESA-band 
> quarterwave is still just under 1M long.  Quarterwaves need a 
> groundplane to perform properly.  To work out the length of a 
> quarterwave, the calculation is 75 divide the transmit frequency.
>
> http://www.111emergency.co.nz/EVENT/FeildingArmed&Emergency/Feildingga.JPG 
> <-- the thin whips are ESA band, the others are either cellular, or 
> the ones with the silvertubes under them are UHF Elevated feeds.  
> Looking at this image, if there is a repeater in the vehicle, I'd say 
> that given the black mopole is on that extending thing, I'd say that's 
> the repeater antenna and there IS a duplexer in the vehicle.  I doubt 
> it's a fullsize repeater, it's probably two mobiles linked together in 
> the rackmount cabinet that's mounted in the vehicle.
>
> http://www.111emergency.co.nz/EVENT/FeildingArmed&Emergency/Feildingge.JPG 
> <-- the black faced RTs are TM8200s so are probably ESA channels, the 
> silver faces are either TM9100 or TM9400s which are P25.  AOS are 
> known to be in the UHF band 2 (450 - 530MHz),  which means they can 
> have the analogue UHF channels in them too.
>
> The problem with an antenna farm like that, is there's very little 
> separation between transmitting aerials.  This is pretty important 
> otherwise you can get RT desensitization (where an RT transmits and 
> there's two or more RTs close together, potentially one or more may 
> not get the transmission - in my experience this is more with mobiles 
> than handhelds)
>
>
> Damn that's probably the longest, most technical email I've written in 
> a long time haha.
>
>
> On 15/08/17 19:52, Radio Solutions wrote:
>> That's quite the antenna farm. Just how many radios does one actually 
>> need?
>> If it's AOS, obviously quite a lot!
>>
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>>     From: DogSecurity - Richard <richard at dogsecurity.co.nz
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>>     Nah that'll be the AOS van.  Next time Westpac hanger does an
>>     open day,
>>     head along, the vans always there :)
>>
>>
>>     On 14/08/17 19:35, Radio Solutions wrote:
>>     > Thank you Nino for the info about the radio deployment.
>>     >
>>     > I recently saw a Police van in Hamilton with a large antenna
>>     farm on
>>     > the roof.
>>     > Guessing it's a mobile coms unit?
>>     >
>>     >
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>>     >     Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 14:42:15 +1200
>>     >     From: Nino Bianco <nino2678 at slingshot.co.nz
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>>     >     Yes back to the radio discussion. F11 and 1D are AOS simplex
>>     >     channels eagle
>>     >     could have been out of range at the time while enroute to the
>>     >     incident
>>     >     which explains why they were having com's issues. Also last
>>     time I
>>     >     checked.
>>     >     Eagle has 1 Digital VHF radio with duel heads. 1 UHF
>>     Digital radio
>>     >     with
>>     >     duel heads and one Lowband VHF analog radio.
>>     >
>>     >     On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Brendan Sheehy
>>     >     <shiters_r_us at hotmail.com <mailto:shiters_r_us at hotmail.com>
>>     <mailto:shiters_r_us at hotmail.com <mailto:shiters_r_us at hotmail.com>>>
>>     >     wrote:
>>     >
>>     >     > Back to radios..... Every officer has a digital capable
>>     >     portable. Some
>>     >     > vehicles are fitted out with dual installs. Some fitted with
>>     >     only analogue
>>     >     > some only digital. I believe the eagle is fitted with both
>>     >     however digital
>>     >     > would be the prefered mode of operation where available. Each
>>     >     AOS command
>>     >     > van has a digital repeater installed for AOS deployments.
>>     >     > ------------------------------
>>     >     > *From:* TheList <thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz
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>>     <mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz>>> on behalf of Dan News <
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>>     >     > *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 12:49:49 PM
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>>     >     > *Subject:* Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
>>     >     >
>>     >     > Big brother is out to get us.
>>     >     >
>>     >     >
>>     >     >
>>     >     > On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 10:47 PM, Denis Dawson
>>     >     <ddawson at xnet.co.nz <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz>
>>     <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz>>> wrote:
>>     >     >
>>     >     >> Yes but the Government doesn?t think that.  It has to guard
>>     >     against all
>>     >     >> possibilities.
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >> *From:* TheList [mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz
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>>     >     >> News
>>     >     >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 13, 2017 20:21
>>     >     >> *To:* thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
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>>     >     >> *Subject:* Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >> Then what would be the point of the list in the first
>>     place? We
>>     >     are all
>>     >     >> responsible adults and know the limits.
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >>
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>>     >     >>
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Denis Dawson
>>     >     <ddawson at xnet.co.nz <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz>
>>     <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz>>> wrote:
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >> There is when you share it to a 3rd party?. Like here.
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >> *From:* TheList [mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz
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>>     <mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz>>] *On Behalf Of
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>>     >     >> - Richard
>>     >     >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 13, 2017 19:17
>>     >     >> *To:* thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
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>>     >     >> *Subject:* Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >> Listening and streaming it are two very different things
>>     :) nothing
>>     >     >> illegal about listening to anything on the airwaves
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >> ----------------------
>>     >     >> Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse my brevity,
>>     >     punctuation and
>>     >     >> spelling.
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >> On 13 August 2017 6:36:41 PM NZST, Craig Molloy
>>     >     <phantomdb at gmail.com <mailto:phantomdb at gmail.com>
>>     <mailto:phantomdb at gmail.com <mailto:phantomdb at gmail.com>>>
>>     >     >> wrote:
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >> Not trying to be a party pooper here, but to sounds like you
>>     >     guys are re
>>     >     >> broadcasting information herd......... Keep safe.
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >> On 13 Aug. 2017 6:02 pm, "DogSecurity - Richard" <
>>     >     >> richard at dogsecurity.co.nz
>>     <mailto:richard at dogsecurity.co.nz>
>>     <mailto:richard at dogsecurity.co.nz
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>>     >     wrote:
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >> I believe Eagle (at least one) do have an ESA band radio,
>>     >     although at one
>>     >     >> point they had two choppers, one black one was marked,
>>     wonder
>>     >     if that's
>>     >     >> still the case - might explain why they weren't using the
>>     >     channel.   I'd
>>     >     >> say the unit you heard was probably one of the AOS guys
>>     before
>>     >     he got
>>     >     >> geared up (but had his gear with him) could also have
>>     been DCC
>>     >     or an
>>     >     >> Alpha.  I know MOX is an AOS member.
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >> I wasn't listening last night so didn't hear all the
>>     excitement.
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >> On 13/08/17 17:49, Radio Solutions wrote:
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >> Spent a few hours listening to all this unfold last
>>     night, just
>>     >     after
>>     >     >> midnight. For those who aren't aware of it, the cops were
>>     >     chasing a late
>>     >     >> model Commodore for failing to stop after it was seen
>>     doing 90
>>     >     in a 50 k
>>     >     >> area.
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >> They followed it to the outskirts of Morrinsville, where it
>>     >     stopped and
>>     >     >> the driver got out and pointed what is believed to be an
>>     AK-47
>>     >     at them and
>>     >     >> started letting off rounds. The photos on the news sites
>>     show
>>     >     the squad car
>>     >     >> windscreen peppered with bullet holes.
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >> During all of this they called Eagle in, but were having
>>     problems
>>     >     >> communicating with the helo and at one stage one of the
>>     senior
>>     >     cops said to
>>     >     >> another one that he was going to set up coms with Eagle on
>>     >     'encrypted
>>     >     >> channel F11'.
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >> It would seem then that Waikato cops have radios
>>     (perhaps not
>>     >     issued to
>>     >     >> everyone) which have digital capability.
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >> It is the first time I have ever heard a cop calling
>>     'ten-ten' (and
>>     >     >> calling it multiple times) on the radio and I hope I
>>     never hear
>>     >     it again.
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >> It would seem that if Eagle does have an analog radio
>>     with all
>>     >     the North
>>     >     >> Island channels programmed, it obviously wasn't working
>>     properly.
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >> In a situation like this, reliable coms is imperative.
>>     At one
>>     >     stage the
>>     >     >> Waikato channel locked up (probably a link-line issue)
>>     and was
>>     >     unusable for
>>     >     >> about 5 minutes.
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >> I take my hat off to the bravery of these guys who put their
>>     >     lives on the
>>     >     >> line every day in front of loose units with guns.
>>     >     >>
>>     >     >>
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>>     >     From: DogSecurity - Richard <richard at dogsecurity.co.nz
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>>     >     I think it depends on the area, there are still TP8100 and
>>     Orcas
>>     >     around in the Waikato.  To be honest, I haven't looked
>>     around at
>>     >     their belts lately.  Perhaps the GDB TP9300s have digital
>>     channels
>>     >     in? But definitely not every officer :)
>>     >
>>     >     Air1Hamilton has digital P25 (VHF), P25 AOS (UHF), A-band
>>     as well
>>     >     as the Ambulance VHF in it, it'd be fair to assume Eagle is the
>>     >     same. Air2Hamilton doesn't have either P25 radio in it. Eagle
>>     >     should have all radios in it, it definitely used to, as it came
>>     >     down for Fieldays several years ago to monitor traffic flow
>>     from
>>     >     the air - from memory using Auxiliary rather than waikato
>>     rural (I
>>     >     mention that as that's ESA only, no UHF) I've never seen a
>>     police
>>     >     UHF P25 codeplug, but there's no reason why they couldn't
>>     have UHF
>>     >     analog frequencies in it.
>>     >     Richard
>>     >     ----------------------
>>     >     Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse my brevity,
>>     punctuation
>>     >     and spelling.
>>     >
>>     >     On 14 August 2017 1:06:42 PM NZST, Brendan Sheehy
>>     >     <shiters_r_us at hotmail.com <mailto:shiters_r_us at hotmail.com>
>>     <mailto:shiters_r_us at hotmail.com
>>     <mailto:shiters_r_us at hotmail.com>>> wrote:
>>     >     >Back to radios..... Every officer has a digital capable
>>     portable.
>>     >     Some
>>     >     >vehicles are fitted out with dual installs. Some fitted
>>     with only
>>     >     >analogue some only digital. I believe the eagle is fitted
>>     with both
>>     >     >however digital would be the prefered mode of operation where
>>     >     >available. Each AOS command van has a digital repeater
>>     installed for
>>     >     >AOS deployments.
>>     >     >________________________________
>>     >     >From: TheList <thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz
>>     <mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz>
>>     >     <mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz
>>     <mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz>>> on behalf of Dan News
>>     >     ><dan at dannews.co.nz <mailto:dan at dannews.co.nz>
>>     <mailto:dan at dannews.co.nz <mailto:dan at dannews.co.nz>>>
>>     >     >Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:49:49 PM
>>     >     >To: thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
>>     <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>
>>     <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>>
>>     >     >Subject: Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
>>     >     >
>>     >     >Big brother is out to get us.
>>     >     >
>>     >     >
>>     >     >On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 10:47 PM, Denis Dawson
>>     >     ><ddawson at xnet.co.nz <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz>
>>     >     <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz
>>     <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz>><mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz
>>     <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz>
>>     >     <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz>>>>
>>     wrote:
>>     >     >Yes but the Government doesn?t think that. It has to guard
>>     >     against all
>>     >     >possibilities.
>>     >     >
>>     >     >From: TheList
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>>     <mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz>
>>     >     <mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz
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>>     >     <mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz
>>     <mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz>>>]
>>     >     >On Behalf Of Dan News
>>     >     >Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 20:21
>>     >     >To: thelist at radiowiki.org.nz <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>
>>     >     <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
>>     <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>><mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>
>>     >     <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
>>     <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>>>
>>     >     >Subject: Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
>>     >     >
>>     >     >Then what would be the point of the list in the first
>>     place? We
>>     >     are all
>>     >     >responsible adults and know the limits.
>>     >     >
>>     >     >
>>     >     >
>>     >     >
>>     >     >On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Denis Dawson
>>     >     ><ddawson at xnet.co.nz <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz>
>>     >     <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz
>>     <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz>><mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz
>>     <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz>
>>     >     <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz <mailto:ddawson at xnet.co.nz>>>>
>>     wrote:
>>     >     >There is when you share it to a 3rd party?. Like here.
>>     >     >
>>     >     >From: TheList
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>>     <mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz>
>>     >     <mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz
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>>     >     <mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz
>>     <mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz>>>]
>>     >     >On Behalf Of DogSecurity - Richard
>>     >     >Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 19:17
>>     >     >To: thelist at radiowiki.org.nz <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>
>>     >     <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
>>     <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>><mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>
>>     >     <mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
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>>     >     >Subject: Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
>>     >     >
>>     >     >Listening and streaming it are two very different things
>>     :) nothing
>>     >     >illegal about listening to anything on the airwaves
>>     >     >
>>     >     >----------------------
>>     >     >Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse my brevity,
>>     punctuation and
>>     >     >spelling.
>>     >     >On 13 August 2017 6:36:41 PM NZST, Craig Molloy
>>     >     ><phantomdb at gmail.com <mailto:phantomdb at gmail.com>
>>     >     <mailto:phantomdb at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:phantomdb at gmail.com>><mailto:phantomdb at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:phantomdb at gmail.com>
>>     >     <mailto:phantomdb at gmail.com <mailto:phantomdb at gmail.com>>>>
>>     wrote:
>>     >     >Not trying to be a party pooper here, but to sounds like
>>     you guys are
>>     >     >re broadcasting information herd......... Keep safe.
>>     >     >
>>     >     >On 13 Aug. 2017 6:02 pm, "DogSecurity - Richard"
>>     >     ><richard at dogsecurity.co.nz <mailto:richard at dogsecurity.co.nz>
>>     >     <mailto:richard at dogsecurity.co.nz
>>     <mailto:richard at dogsecurity.co.nz>><mailto:richard at dogsecurity.co.nz
>>     <mailto:richard at dogsecurity.co.nz>
>>     >     <mailto:richard at dogsecurity.co.nz
>>     <mailto:richard at dogsecurity.co.nz>>>> wrote:
>>     >     >I believe Eagle (at least one) do have an ESA band radio,
>>     although at
>>     >     >one point they had two choppers, one black one was marked,
>>     wonder if
>>     >     >that's still the case - might explain why they weren't
>>     using the
>>     >     >channel.   I'd say the unit you heard was probably one of
>>     the AOS
>>     >     guys
>>     >     >before he got geared up (but had his gear with him) could
>>     also have
>>     >     >been DCC or an Alpha.  I know MOX is an AOS member.
>>     >     >
>>     >     >I wasn't listening last night so didn't hear all the
>>     excitement.
>>     >     >On 13/08/17 17:49, Radio Solutions wrote:
>>     >     >Spent a few hours listening to all this unfold last night,
>>     just after
>>     >     >midnight. For those who aren't aware of it, the cops were
>>     chasing a
>>     >     >late model Commodore for failing to stop after it was seen
>>     doing
>>     >     90 in
>>     >     >a 50 k area.
>>     >     >They followed it to the outskirts of Morrinsville, where it
>>     >     stopped and
>>     >     >the driver got out and pointed what is believed to be an
>>     AK-47 at
>>     >     them
>>     >     >and started letting off rounds. The photos on the news
>>     sites show the
>>     >     >squad car windscreen peppered with bullet holes.
>>     >     >During all of this they called Eagle in, but were having
>>     problems
>>     >     >communicating with the helo and at one stage one of the
>>     senior cops
>>     >     >said to another one that he was going to set up coms with
>>     Eagle on
>>     >     >'encrypted channel F11'.
>>     >     >It would seem then that Waikato cops have radios (perhaps not
>>     >     issued to
>>     >     >everyone) which have digital capability.
>>     >     >It is the first time I have ever heard a cop calling
>>     'ten-ten' (and
>>     >     >calling it multiple times) on the radio and I hope I never
>>     hear it
>>     >     >again.
>>     >     >It would seem that if Eagle does have an analog radio with
>>     all the
>>     >     >North Island channels programmed, it obviously wasn't working
>>     >     properly.
>>     >     >In a situation like this, reliable coms is imperative. At one
>>     >     stage the
>>     >     >Waikato channel locked up (probably a link-line issue) and was
>>     >     unusable
>>     >     >for about 5 minutes.
>>     >     >I take my hat off to the bravery of these guys who put
>>     their lives on
>>     >     >the line every day in front of loose units with guns.
>>     >     >
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