[TheList] TheList Digest, Vol 125, Issue 7

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On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 8:24 PM Mark Foster <blakjak at gmail.com> wrote:

> The link is worth a read, though I note Police are no longer directly
> leading the work.
>
> https://www.reseller.co.nz/article/672291/crown-infrastructure-takes-delivery-massive-new-emergency-comms-network/
>
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:20 PM Glen Grenfell <grenfell.glen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> Here a link to what I was reading interesting stuff...
>> https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/programmes-and-initiatives/next-generation-critical-communications-ngcc?nondesktop
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>>> The new emergency services communication network is already in the
>>> planning stages, it has been mentioned here previously.
>>> Ambos and Fire will be on the network which is all digital-based, but
>>> word
>>> is they will not be encrypted. There really is no need for them to be.
>>> There's actually no need for Police to be encrypted either, but that's a
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>>> Encryption itself isn't expensive at all.? You use the same radios, in
>>> fact a lot of St John radios are already TP9400 and TM9400s, new builds
>>> are all getting the new radios.? They will need to purchase a trunking
>>> key per radio to use the new network, but that can be added later on
>>> when the new codeplug is uploaded to the radio.
>>>
>>> I haven't done encryption on any Tx9400s, but for TM/TP93 and MotoTRBO
>>> radios, to encrypt is literally about 5 more seconds of work for the
>>> programmer.? Now if they use fancy high end encryption, then you use a
>>> keyloader which is a hardware device.
>>>
>>> Fire will potentially have a harder time, due to the way the vehicle
>>> wiring is installed... The story I was told is that it's cheaper for
>>> them to repair the T2000 based equipment than to swap each vehicle over
>>> to TM8200s (changing from an 8200 to a 9400 is straightforward as you
>>> only need to replace the head and the body - the remote cable in between
>>> is the same)
>>>
>>> Reports I've read is that NGCC will be RF, Cellular and satellite based,
>>> however will need to be compatible with the existing P25 network in use
>>> in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch.
>>> On 18/06/2020 13:53, Darryl Healy wrote:
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>>> https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/radio-network-used-emergency-services-predicted-fail-2023
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>>> > Could this be something like terrestrial trunked radio or something
>>> > more IP based?
>>> > I doubt ambos and fire would go down the expensive ENCRYPTED route,
>>> > sounds like a larger more secure cellular mobile based system?
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>>> This new system has been spoken about for some time, its will be worked
>>> from the spark cellular network starting with police  with the long term
>>> plan is to include the other services. There is a document out there that
>>> explains the roll out. Cant remember the name of it.
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>>> So is the data and satellite function going to work off cell towers and
>>> radio comms off dedicated repeaters or are they all off the cell towers?
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>>> cell
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