[TheList] TheList Digest, Vol 125, Issue 7

Sat Jun 20 18:22:59 AEST 2020

The link is worth a read, though I note Police are no longer directly
leading the work.
https://www.reseller.co.nz/article/672291/crown-infrastructure-takes-delivery-massive-new-emergency-comms-network/

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:20 PM Glen Grenfell <grenfell.glen at gmail.com>
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> Here a link to what I was reading interesting stuff...
> https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/programmes-and-initiatives/next-generation-critical-communications-ngcc?nondesktop
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>> The new emergency services communication network is already in the
>> planning stages, it has been mentioned here previously.
>> Ambos and Fire will be on the network which is all digital-based, but word
>> is they will not be encrypted. There really is no need for them to be.
>> There's actually no need for Police to be encrypted either, but that's a
>> whole other argument.
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>> Encryption itself isn't expensive at all.? You use the same radios, in
>> fact a lot of St John radios are already TP9400 and TM9400s, new builds
>> are all getting the new radios.? They will need to purchase a trunking
>> key per radio to use the new network, but that can be added later on
>> when the new codeplug is uploaded to the radio.
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>> I haven't done encryption on any Tx9400s, but for TM/TP93 and MotoTRBO
>> radios, to encrypt is literally about 5 more seconds of work for the
>> programmer.? Now if they use fancy high end encryption, then you use a
>> keyloader which is a hardware device.
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>> Fire will potentially have a harder time, due to the way the vehicle
>> wiring is installed... The story I was told is that it's cheaper for
>> them to repair the T2000 based equipment than to swap each vehicle over
>> to TM8200s (changing from an 8200 to a 9400 is straightforward as you
>> only need to replace the head and the body - the remote cable in between
>> is the same)
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>> Reports I've read is that NGCC will be RF, Cellular and satellite based,
>> however will need to be compatible with the existing P25 network in use
>> in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch.
>> On 18/06/2020 13:53, Darryl Healy wrote:
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>> https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/radio-network-used-emergency-services-predicted-fail-2023
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>> > Could this be something like terrestrial trunked radio or something
>> > more IP based?
>> > I doubt ambos and fire would go down the expensive ENCRYPTED route,
>> > sounds like a larger more secure cellular mobile based system?
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>> This new system has been spoken about for some time, its will be worked
>> from the spark cellular network starting with police  with the long term
>> plan is to include the other services. There is a document out there that
>> explains the roll out. Cant remember the name of it.
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>> So is the data and satellite function going to work off cell towers and
>> radio comms off dedicated repeaters or are they all off the cell towers?
>> With the assumption of P25 for all I'm guessing radio will not be off cell
>> towers?
>> England have terrestrial trunked radio which is more cellular than
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