[TheList] Waikato AOS incident

Mon Aug 14 11:06:36 AEST 2017

Hey all.

I'm a admin member for a Facebook page based in hawkes bay. We will post
emergency situation eg. Mva, gun indicents, suspec people in area, that
will only affect the public. We have been operating for bout 3 years now.
Yes the police are aware of us as we have a few police member on the page.

I think the only reason that we are still active is the reason that we
strongly monitor the information that is posted we have some strict rules
stopping any certain  details... Yes we have scanner.

Cheers Glen

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   1. Re: Waikato AOS incident (Cameron Fuller)
   2. Re: Waikato AOS incident (Dan News)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 23:55:41 +1200
From: Cameron Fuller <cameronfuller at vodafone.co.nz>
To: <thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>
Subject: Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
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Unfortunately, third party or not, disclosing or acting upon the
contents of a radio communication not intended for you is an offence
(Radio Communications Act 1989, s 133A). However, there's obviously a
huge amount of discretion that goes on here. Otherwise we'd be locking
up journalists left, right and centre. In fact, I recall a chap with a
scanner helped Police catch an escaped prisoner a few years back.
Needless to say he got a pat on the back as opposed to a summons.

We've also got to remember that the statute was passed in 1989, and
although it is still enforceable law, attitudes have changed since then.

OP's post didn't contain anything that isn't already in the media, nor
anything that wouldn't be subject to an Official Information Act
request. The only time you'd land yourself in it would be if you
released sensitive information, such as the name of a deceased person or
details that would compromise an ongoing operation.

I think it's
always important to have the law in the back of our minds before
publishing what we hear, but I think for the most part, common sense
will prevail.

On 13/08/2017 20:34, Radio Scanner wrote:

> Id also
put money on the cops knowing about the list. Seriously though, are they
really going to put any effort / resources into prosecuting someone for
merely mentioning a couple of minor details from a job they attended the
previous day? I doubt it.
>
> On 13/08/2017 8:23 p.m., DogSecurity -
Richard wrote:
>
>> That depends on how you decode the law, it's
illegal to rebroadcast (which i determine to be restreaming audio)
talking about it without giving specifics that isn't already in the
media I feel is fair game. IE The OP mentioned the red Commodore, which
is already in the media, in fact even the rego is in the media, and he
sent this well after the incident happened.
>>
>> Remember RadioWiki
came from the ashes of the old NZScanners.. it would be fair to say that
everyone on this list has a scanner. If you have a scanner and have the
ability to listen to the channels are you really a third party? Food for
thought, but a different topic. Remember there's also the 10-1 list that
hasn't really seen any action lately, but it still exists, lots of
information used to come across on there that would only come from a
Scanner/RT listener. If there were concerns, I'm sure people would be
contacted offlist by the relevant authorities. We can almost put money
on the fact that the Police are aware the wiki/E-mail list and are
probably monitoring it. I'm sure if there was an issue with anything
that's been said previously they'd already have a chat. I'd encourage
them to do so.
>>
>> If we take your thinking, that we ARE all third
parties, then I think it's fair to say NZS/RW would have been turned off
a long time ago. All of the information from the Waikato pages, I've
found from many years of listening to all sorts of stuff, and being in
the radio industry myself. Someone else has edited it with repeater site
locations, but that's all publicly available on RSM. Admittedly the
capcodes aren't listed anywhere public, nor are the 13-tone selcall
tones that are on the Canterbury page. So it's up for debate whether
we've all been breaching since.... I'm not sure when NZS started....
2002? Something like that :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> On
13/08/17 19:51, Denis Dawson wrote:
>>
>>> There is when you share it
to a 3rd party?. Like here.
>>>
>>> FROM: TheList
[mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz [3]] ON BEHALF OF DogSecurity -
Richard
>>> SENT: Sunday, August 13, 2017 19:17
>>> TO:
thelist at radiowiki.org.nz [4]
>>> SUBJECT: Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS
incident
>>>
>>> Listening and streaming it are two very different
things :) nothing illegal about listening to anything on the
airwaves
>>>
>>> ----------------------
>>> Sent from a mobile device.
Please excuse my brevity, punctuation and spelling.
>>>
>>> On 13
August 2017 6:36:41 PM NZST, Craig Molloy wrote:
>>>
>>> Not trying to
be a party pooper here, but to sounds like you guys are re broadcasting
information herd......... Keep safe.
>>>
>>> On 13 Aug. 2017 6:02 pm,
"DogSecurity - Richard" wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe Eagle (at least one)
do have an ESA band radio, although at one point they had two choppers,
one black one was marked, wonder if that's still the case - might
explain why they weren't using the channel. I'd say the unit you heard
was probably one of the AOS guys before he got geared up (but had his
gear with him) could also have been DCC or an Alpha. I know MOX is an
AOS member.
>>>
>>> I wasn't listening last night so didn't hear all
the excitement.
>>>
>>> On 13/08/17 17:49, Radio Solutions wrote:
>>>

>>>> Spent a few hours listening to all this unfold last night, just
after midnight. For those who aren't aware of it, the cops were chasing
a late model Commodore for failing to stop after it was seen doing 90 in
a 50 k area.
>>>>
>>>> They followed it to the outskirts of
Morrinsville, where it stopped and the driver got out and pointed what
is believed to be an AK-47 at them and started letting off rounds. The
photos on the news sites show the squad car windscreen peppered with
bullet holes.
>>>>
>>>> During all of this they called Eagle in, but
were having problems communicating with the helo and at one stage one of
the senior cops said to another one that he was going to set up coms
with Eagle on 'encrypted channel F11'.
>>>>
>>>> It would seem then
that Waikato cops have radios (perhaps not issued to everyone) which
have digital capability.
>>>>
>>>> It is the first time I have ever
heard a cop calling 'ten-ten' (and calling it multiple times) on the
radio and I hope I never hear it again.
>>>>
>>>> It would seem that
if Eagle does have an analog radio with all the North Island channels
programmed, it obviously wasn't working properly.
>>>>
>>>> In a
situation like this, reliable coms is imperative. At one stage the
Waikato channel locked up (probably a link-line issue) and was unusable
for about 5 minutes.
>>>>
>>>> I take my hat off to the bravery of
these guys who put their lives on the line every day in front of loose
units with guns.
>>>>
>>>>
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 12:49:49 +1200
From: Dan News <dan at dannews.co.nz>
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Big brother is out to get us.

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 10:47 PM, Denis Dawson <ddawson at xnet.co.nz> wrote:

> Yes but the Government doesn?t think that.  It has to guard against all
> possibilities.
>
>
>
> *From:* TheList [mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz] *On Behalf Of
*Dan
> News
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 13, 2017 20:21
> *To:* thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
> *Subject:* Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
>
>
>
> Then what would be the point of the list in the first place? We are all
> responsible adults and know the limits.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Denis Dawson <ddawson at xnet.co.nz> wrote:
>
> There is when you share it to a 3rd party?. Like here.
>
>
>
> *From:* TheList [mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz] *On Behalf Of
*DogSecurity
> - Richard
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 13, 2017 19:17
> *To:* thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
> *Subject:* Re: [TheList] Waikato AOS incident
>
>
>
> Listening and streaming it are two very different things :) nothing
> illegal about listening to anything on the airwaves
>
> ----------------------
> Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse my brevity, punctuation and
> spelling.
>
> On 13 August 2017 6:36:41 PM NZST, Craig Molloy <phantomdb at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Not trying to be a party pooper here, but to sounds like you guys are re
> broadcasting information herd......... Keep safe.
>
>
>
> On 13 Aug. 2017 6:02 pm, "DogSecurity - Richard" <
> richard at dogsecurity.co.nz> wrote:
>
> I believe Eagle (at least one) do have an ESA band radio, although at one
> point they had two choppers, one black one was marked, wonder if that's
> still the case - might explain why they weren't using the channel.   I'd
> say the unit you heard was probably one of the AOS guys before he got
> geared up (but had his gear with him) could also have been DCC or an
> Alpha.  I know MOX is an AOS member.
>
> I wasn't listening last night so didn't hear all the excitement.
>
> On 13/08/17 17:49, Radio Solutions wrote:
>
> Spent a few hours listening to all this unfold last night, just after
> midnight. For those who aren't aware of it, the cops were chasing a late
> model Commodore for failing to stop after it was seen doing 90 in a 50 k
> area.
>
> They followed it to the outskirts of Morrinsville, where it stopped and
> the driver got out and pointed what is believed to be an AK-47 at them and
> started letting off rounds. The photos on the news sites show the squad
car
> windscreen peppered with bullet holes.
>
> During all of this they called Eagle in, but were having problems
> communicating with the helo and at one stage one of the senior cops said
to
> another one that he was going to set up coms with Eagle on 'encrypted
> channel F11'.
>
> It would seem then that Waikato cops have radios (perhaps not issued to
> everyone) which have digital capability.
>
> It is the first time I have ever heard a cop calling 'ten-ten' (and
> calling it multiple times) on the radio and I hope I never hear it again.
>
> It would seem that if Eagle does have an analog radio with all the North
> Island channels programmed, it obviously wasn't working properly.
>
> In a situation like this, reliable coms is imperative. At one stage the
> Waikato channel locked up (probably a link-line issue) and was unusable
for
> about 5 minutes.
>
> I take my hat off to the bravery of these guys who put their lives on the
> line every day in front of loose units with guns.
>
>
>
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