<div dir="ltr"><div>There are non-interactive elements of Facebook. You don't have to log-in to Facebook to use the public-facing aspects of it.</div><div>So if your website is a simple 'brochure' for your services that needs to push out some photos, text describing what you do, and your phone number / email address, then you may choose to do that with public-facing Facebook content. Interacting with it as an anonymous web browser discloses nothing.</div><div>If your moral threshold is breached then you are entirely within your right to not use it, true, but businesses doing so have to be making a calculated decision, understanding that some users will avoid them.</div><div><br></div><div>You can choose to be pissed off if you wish :-) If this group were to migrate to Facebook I would not object (not enough to sway the decision) but I use Facebook on the basis of a reasonably well informed position.</div><div><br></div><div>Another community that i'm an administrator of is in the throws of evaluating a move to Facebook from their own web-forum because Facebook already has enough of a critical mass to make it easy - relative to the need to continue to secure and maintain an interactive web presence from security vulnerabilities and spammers/scammers. So I can understand the appeal.</div><div><br></div><div>I do think that even a relatively simple, 'brochure-style' website independent of social media platforms is a good idea, as it serves to act as a channel to those who would otherwise avoid Facebook and its kin. But each to their own.</div><div><br></div><div>The point is moot here anyway as no one has seriously proposed a move from the mailing list and wiki.</div><div><br></div><div>Mark.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:27 PM Stephen <<a href="mailto:kiwis1@slingshot.co.nz">kiwis1@slingshot.co.nz</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div lang="EN-NZ"><div class="gmail-m_-6260983782369374517WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10pt">The “proper website” comment is very accurate, and an informed one.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Websites can reach every computer/mobility device user, while Facebook only reaches those who have not made a moral/other decision to refuse to touch it.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Some of us refuse it, because of all the harm with data breaches, interfering with election outcomes, and discrimination led killings it has caused/assisted, around the world.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10pt">If you are a business/organisation that has an informative website, you are ready 24/4 to inform all potential customers.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10pt">If you refuse to create and maintain a proper website, and just have a Facebook presence, you will only reach some, and piss off some others like me, especially with a nag screen that says you have to login or join to see more content.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Is that good marketing?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Stephen<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> TheList [mailto:<a href="mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz" target="_blank">thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Foster<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 4 February 2019 11:09 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:thelist@radiowiki.org.nz" target="_blank">thelist@radiowiki.org.nz</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TheList] TheList Digest, Vol 110, Issue 2<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">"Proper website" comment is misinformed.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Facebook has a large critical mass of people on it. Many people use it, so when you can then easily integrate connecting with your fan base / customer base via something that already exists on their devices, why wouldn't you?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Not that i'm a huge fan of Facebook but I recognise what it's good at.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Websites are just one tool, Facebook is very much another. They have different places on the shelf.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">As do mailing lists, which I still think have merit.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 3:07 PM Radio Scanner <<a href="mailto:rs157950@gmail.com" target="_blank">rs157950@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;border-color:currentColor currentColor currentColor rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:4.8pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Ill agree with others re farcebook. I myself don't go anywhere near it even though it seems to have become the defacto go to - even for rather large companies who have more than enough cash to stump up for a proper website. Sad really.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 3/02/2019 2:38 p.m., Gary Stone wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p>I was thinking more along the lines of keeping everything as it is and adding a facebook group to it as well<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 3/02/2019 2:30 PM, richard Pringle wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">I like it how it is personally<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"><hr width="98%" size="3" align="center"></div><div id="gmail-m_-6260983782369374517gmail-m_-7405447117175214765x_divRplyFwdMsg"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> TheList <a href="mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz" target="_blank"><thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz></a> on behalf of <a href="mailto:thelist-request@radiowiki.org.nz" target="_blank">thelist-request@radiowiki.org.nz</a> <a href="mailto:thelist-request@radiowiki.org.nz" target="_blank"><thelist-request@radiowiki.org.nz></a><br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 3, 2019 2:00:01 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:thelist@radiowiki.org.nz" target="_blank">thelist@radiowiki.org.nz</a><br><b>Subject:</b> TheList Digest, Vol 110, Issue 2</span> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt">Send TheList mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:thelist@radiowiki.org.nz" target="_blank">thelist@radiowiki.org.nz</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="http://radiowiki.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/thelist_radiowiki.org.nz" target="_blank">http://radiowiki.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/thelist_radiowiki.org.nz</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a href="mailto:thelist-request@radiowiki.org.nz" target="_blank">thelist-request@radiowiki.org.nz</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a href="mailto:thelist-owner@radiowiki.org.nz" target="_blank">thelist-owner@radiowiki.org.nz</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of TheList digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. 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