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Definitely poor design. CTCSS tones would obviously help with
spurious signals triggering the repeater but it wouldnt stop
dickheads with a Baofeng for long at all. Atleast the radio can
still be used at the same time its being mucked with.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/11/2017 1:03 p.m., Brendan Sheehy
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We use to get it bad down south untill tx frequency was changed
on one of the vtg channels.<br>
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<div>Just on the skip issue you mentioned.. The problem with the
skip/ducting on ESA (I'd put money on that being the offender,
rather than UHF) is that the police (and fire as they're in bed
together) don't use CTCSS tones, so the repeater receiver
naturally opens up to everything. <br>
<br>
Unfortunately that's poor initial design on Police part, to add
tones after the fact basically can't happen logistically...
every RT and repeater needs to be reprogrammed at the same time
to avoid downtime. Doing it could be done slowly, add the tones
to RT TX first, then add the tone to the RX of the repeater.
Obviously you'd have to see if there's a tone on the Aussie TX
and not reuse that here (that'd really be RSMs domain) Would
also help with that clown down Levin ways with his crappy
Baofeng or whatever ham radio that he shouldn't have,
transmitting on the police channels. <br>
<br>
Over the last few years it seems to be less of an issue on
Ham1/Waikato Rural at least as more Aussie emergency services
are going UHF/digital etc. But also remember 76megs is more
susceptible to noise than VHF/UHF frequencies. Also helping the
fact of people moving away from ESA/A-band is Tait is the only
manufacturer making that equipment anymore.
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Richard <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 23 November 2017 10:33:16 AM NZDT,
Shane Vickers <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:senavick2@gmail.com"><senavick2@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<div>ESC band in this topic,� The original poster
mentioned Area 22. Can I confirm where this is?� No
point getting excited if they are rolling out in
Wellington!<br>
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Auckland is using F Band high to assist with skip issues
from Aussie many moons ago..<br>
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I am assuming Auckland is Area 22 as they have UHF systems
in play..�� I am could be so wrong.....<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 9:45 AM,
Mike Bailey <span dir="ltr">
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<div dir="ltr">My apologies - no regular operational
channels. Yes some HF and airband stuff is listed,
but good on ya if you've heard anything operational
on it... ever.</div>
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<p>When you say no police frequencies at all
I beg to differ on that statement:�</p>
<p>Here is just one search I did for Police
- like page 2 of 5 or something.�</p>
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title="19203">19203</a></td>
<td>96116</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ACX45</td>
<td>119.100000</td>
<td>TAURANGA POLICE STATION</td>
<td>BD37 795250</td>
<td>Aero Base (Off Route)</td>
<td>Current</td>
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id="m_8852443264000220782m_6426714608411204002S_9044"
title="23895">23895</a></td>
<td>97565</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ACX45</td>
<td>119.100000</td>
<td>MT CARGILL</td>
<td>CE17 101239</td>
<td>Aero Base (Off Route)</td>
<td>Current</td>
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id="m_8852443264000220782m_6426714608411204002S_9024"
title="23895">23895</a></td>
<td>97565</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ARX52</td>
<td>131.300000</td>
<td>MT CARGILL</td>
<td>CE17 101239</td>
<td>Aero Base (Off Route)</td>
<td>Current</td>
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<td><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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title="24086">24086</a></td>
<td>125062</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ACX45</td>
<td>119.100000</td>
<td>SUGARLOAF</td>
<td>BX24 717721</td>
<td>Aero Base (Off Route)</td>
<td>Current</td>
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<td><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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title="28430">28430</a></td>
<td>92397</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ACX45</td>
<td>119.100000</td>
<td>NEW PLYMOUTH POLICE STATION</td>
<td>BH29 927760</td>
<td>Aero Base (Off Route)</td>
<td>Current</td>
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<td><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<td>92397</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ACX5</td>
<td>118.100000</td>
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<td>BH29 927760</td>
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<td>92397</td>
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<td>ARX52</td>
<td>131.300000</td>
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<td>BH29 927760</td>
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<td><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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title="28430">28430</a></td>
<td>92397</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ACX41</td>
<td>119.000000</td>
<td>NEW PLYMOUTH POLICE STATION</td>
<td>BH29 927760</td>
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title="29066">29066</a></td>
<td>92399</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ACX45</td>
<td>119.100000</td>
<td>STRATFORD POLICE STATION</td>
<td>BJ30 105448</td>
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title="29066">29066</a></td>
<td>92399</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ARX52</td>
<td>131.300000</td>
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<td>BJ30 105448</td>
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title="29066">29066</a></td>
<td>92399</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ACX5</td>
<td>118.100000</td>
<td>STRATFORD POLICE STATION</td>
<td>BJ30 105448</td>
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<td>Current</td>
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id="m_8852443264000220782m_6426714608411204002S_8844"
title="29066">29066</a></td>
<td>92399</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ACX41</td>
<td>119.000000</td>
<td>STRATFORD POLICE STATION</td>
<td>BJ30 105448</td>
<td>Aero Base (Off Route)</td>
<td>Current</td>
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id="m_8852443264000220782m_6426714608411204002S_8824"
title="30121">30121</a></td>
<td>126153</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ACX45</td>
<td>119.100000</td>
<td>MAUNU MT</td>
<td>AX30 113444</td>
<td>Aero Base (Off Route)</td>
<td>Current</td>
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id="m_8852443264000220782m_6426714608411204002S_8804"
title="30121">30121</a></td>
<td>126153</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ARX52</td>
<td>131.300000</td>
<td>MAUNU MT</td>
<td>AX30 113444</td>
<td>Aero Base (Off Route)</td>
<td>Current</td>
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id="m_8852443264000220782m_6426714608411204002S_8784"
title="31640">31640</a></td>
<td>92401</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ARX52</td>
<td>131.300000</td>
<td>HAWERA POLICE STATION</td>
<td>BK30 103172</td>
<td>Aero Base (Off Route)</td>
<td>Current</td>
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title="31640">31640</a></td>
<td>92401</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ACX45</td>
<td>119.100000</td>
<td>HAWERA POLICE STATION</td>
<td>BK30 103172</td>
<td>Aero Base (Off Route)</td>
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id="m_8852443264000220782m_6426714608411204002S_8744"
title="31640">31640</a></td>
<td>92401</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ACX5</td>
<td>118.100000</td>
<td>HAWERA POLICE STATION</td>
<td>BK30 103172</td>
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<td>Current</td>
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title="31640">31640</a></td>
<td>92401</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ACX41</td>
<td>119.000000</td>
<td>HAWERA POLICE STATION</td>
<td>BK30 103172</td>
<td>Aero Base (Off Route)</td>
<td>Current</td>
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id="m_8852443264000220782m_6426714608411204002S_8704"
title="32224">32224</a></td>
<td>135095</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ARX52</td>
<td>131.300000</td>
<td>PAPAROA</td>
<td>BT19 636042</td>
<td>Aero Base (Off Route)</td>
<td>Current</td>
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id="m_8852443264000220782m_6426714608411204002S_8684"
title="32311">32311</a></td>
<td>97621</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ARX52</td>
<td>131.300000</td>
<td>AUCKLAND</td>
<td>BA32 569204</td>
<td>Aero Base (Off Route)</td>
<td>Current</td>
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<p>On 23/11/2017 09:07 AM, Mike Bailey
wrote:</p>
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<div dir="ltr">RSM work in mysterious
ways. You'll notice they don't list any
Police frequencies at all. I wonder if
this falls under the same sort of
category - that its RSM approved (lets
face it, Fire wouldn't go rogue on
frequencies), and its just not published
for privacy and security of
communications?
<div>�</div>
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<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>I'm a bit confused as
well.!</p>
<p>On the RSM website the
frequencies assigned to Fire
and Emergency New Zealand
between 492.21875MHz and
497.19375MHz are shown as
"Land Mobile - mobile
transmit" and the repeater
frequencies don't start
until 498.800MHz. So how are
the lower frequencies being
used as "portable
frequencies" for incident
ground communications?</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
<p>Grunter1.</p>
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