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<html><head><meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"></head>Just on the skip issue you mentioned.. The problem with the skip/ducting on ESA (I'd put money on that being the offender, rather than UHF) is that the police (and fire as they're in bed together) don't use CTCSS tones, so the repeater receiver naturally opens up to everything. <br>
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Unfortunately that's poor initial design on Police part, to add tones after the fact basically can't happen logistically... every RT and repeater needs to be reprogrammed at the same time to avoid downtime. Doing it could be done slowly, add the tones to RT TX first, then add the tone to the RX of the repeater. Obviously you'd have to see if there's a tone on the Aussie TX and not reuse that here (that'd really be RSMs domain) Would also help with that clown down Levin ways with his crappy Baofeng or whatever ham radio that he shouldn't have, transmitting on the police channels. <br>
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Over the last few years it seems to be less of an issue on Ham1/Waikato Rural at least as more Aussie emergency services are going UHF/digital etc. But also remember 76megs is more susceptible to noise than VHF/UHF frequencies. Also helping the fact of people moving away from ESA/A-band is Tait is the only manufacturer making that equipment anymore. <br>
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Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse my brevity, punctuation and spelling. <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 November 2017 10:33:16 AM NZDT, Shane Vickers <senavick2@gmail.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div>ESC band in this topic, The original poster mentioned Area 22. Can I confirm where this is? No point getting excited if they are rolling out in Wellington!<br></div>Auckland is using F Band high to assist with skip issues from Aussie many moons ago..<br><br></div>I am assuming Auckland is Area 22 as they have UHF systems in play.. I am could be so wrong.....<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Mike Bailey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tahiini@gmail.com" target="_blank">tahiini@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">My apologies - no regular operational channels. Yes some HF and airband stuff is listed, but good on ya if you've heard anything operational on it... ever.</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 at 09:36 Chris H <<a href="mailto:radiowiki@archnetnz.com" target="_blank">radiowiki@archnetnz.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p>When you say no police frequencies at all I beg to differ on that statement: </p>
<p>Here is just one search I did for Police - like page 2 of 5 or something. </p>
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<td>96116</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ACX45</td>
<td>119.100000</td>
<td>TAURANGA POLICE STATION</td>
<td>BD37 795250</td>
<td>Aero Base (Off Route)</td>
<td>Current</td>
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<td>97565</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ACX45</td>
<td>119.100000</td>
<td>MT CARGILL</td>
<td>CE17 101239</td>
<td>Aero Base (Off Route)</td>
<td>Current</td>
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<td>97565</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ARX52</td>
<td>131.300000</td>
<td>MT CARGILL</td>
<td>CE17 101239</td>
<td>Aero Base (Off Route)</td>
<td>Current</td>
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<td><a id="m_8852443264000220782m_6426714608411204002S_9004" title="24086">24086</a></td>
<td>125062</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ACX45</td>
<td>119.100000</td>
<td>SUGARLOAF</td>
<td>BX24 717721</td>
<td>Aero Base (Off Route)</td>
<td>Current</td>
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<td>92397</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ACX45</td>
<td>119.100000</td>
<td>NEW PLYMOUTH POLICE STATION</td>
<td>BH29 927760</td>
<td>Aero Base (Off Route)</td>
<td>Current</td>
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<td><a id="m_8852443264000220782m_6426714608411204002S_8964" title="28430">28430</a></td>
<td>92397</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ACX5</td>
<td>118.100000</td>
<td>NEW PLYMOUTH POLICE STATION</td>
<td>BH29 927760</td>
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<td>92397</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ARX52</td>
<td>131.300000</td>
<td>NEW PLYMOUTH POLICE STATION</td>
<td>BH29 927760</td>
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<td>92397</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
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<td>119.000000</td>
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<td>BH29 927760</td>
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<td>92399</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ACX45</td>
<td>119.100000</td>
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<td>92399</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ARX52</td>
<td>131.300000</td>
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<td>92399</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ACX5</td>
<td>118.100000</td>
<td>STRATFORD POLICE STATION</td>
<td>BJ30 105448</td>
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<td>92399</td>
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<td>119.000000</td>
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<td>126153</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ACX45</td>
<td>119.100000</td>
<td>MAUNU MT</td>
<td>AX30 113444</td>
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<td>Current</td>
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<td>126153</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ARX52</td>
<td>131.300000</td>
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<td>AX30 113444</td>
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<td>92401</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
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<td>131.300000</td>
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<td>119.100000</td>
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<td>92401</td>
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<td>ACX5</td>
<td>118.100000</td>
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<td>BK30 103172</td>
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<td>92401</td>
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<td>119.000000</td>
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<td>BK30 103172</td>
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<td>135095</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ARX52</td>
<td>131.300000</td>
<td>PAPAROA</td>
<td>BT19 636042</td>
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<td>Current</td>
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<td>97621</td>
<td>NEW ZEALAND POLICE</td>
<td>ARX52</td>
<td>131.300000</td>
<td>AUCKLAND</td>
<td>BA32 569204</td>
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<p>On 23/11/2017 09:07 AM, Mike Bailey wrote:</p>
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<div dir="ltr">RSM work in mysterious ways. You'll notice they don't list any Police frequencies at all. I wonder if this falls under the same sort of category - that its RSM approved (lets face it, Fire wouldn't go rogue on frequencies), and its just not published for privacy and security of communications?
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 at 08:57 Grant Carroll <<a href="mailto:grant.carroll@xtra.co.nz" target="_blank">grant.carroll@xtra.co.nz</a>> wrote:</div>
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<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>I'm a bit confused as well.!</p>
<p>On the RSM website the frequencies assigned to Fire and Emergency New Zealand between 492.21875MHz and 497.19375MHz are shown as "Land Mobile - mobile transmit" and the repeater frequencies don't start until 498.800MHz. So how are the lower frequencies being used as "portable frequencies" for incident ground communications?</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
<p>Grunter1.</p>
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