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Yes you have a point there but you only have to look in the book/PDF
of available channels to have a VERY solid starting point. Security
through obscurity obviously isn't ideal, however I would like to see
it stay unencrypted for the foreseeable future as cellphone calls
are dirt cheap now if they have to relay some sensitive information
back to comms.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/11/2017 7:47 p.m., DogSecurity -
Richard wrote:<br>
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I partly agree, for most people with scanners, in my experience
haven't even heard of CTCSS, so as long as it's not published on
say RadioWiki and the likes, would prevent most people doing that.
<br>
<br>
Those that know about CTCSS obviously would likely be able to work
out what tone is in use, and therefore probably be able to also
work out the transmit frequency with a lot of patience :) <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 23 November 2017 7:35:31 PM NZDT,
Radio Scanner <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rs157950@gmail.com"><rs157950@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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padding-left: 1ex;"> Definitely poor design. CTCSS tones would
obviously help with spurious signals triggering the repeater
but it wouldnt stop dickheads with a Baofeng for long at all.
Atleast the radio can still be used at the same time its being
mucked with.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/11/2017 1:03 p.m., Brendan
Sheehy wrote:<br>
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use to get it bad down south untill tx frequency was
changed on one of the vtg channels.<br>
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<div>Just on the skip issue you mentioned.. The problem with
the skip/ducting on ESA (I'd put money on that being the
offender, rather than UHF) is that the police (and fire as
they're in bed together) don't use CTCSS tones, so the
repeater receiver naturally opens up to everything. <br>
<br>
Unfortunately that's poor initial design on Police part,
to add tones after the fact basically can't happen
logistically... every RT and repeater needs to be
reprogrammed at the same time to avoid downtime. Doing it
could be done slowly, add the tones to RT TX first, then
add the tone to the RX of the repeater. Obviously you'd
have to see if there's a tone on the Aussie TX and not
reuse that here (that'd really be RSMs domain) Would also
help with that clown down Levin ways with his crappy
Baofeng or whatever ham radio that he shouldn't have,
transmitting on the police channels. <br>
<br>
Over the last few years it seems to be less of an issue on
Ham1/Waikato Rural at least as more Aussie emergency
services are going UHF/digital etc. But also remember
76megs is more susceptible to noise than VHF/UHF
frequencies. Also helping the fact of people moving away
from ESA/A-band is Tait is the only manufacturer making
that equipment anymore. <br>
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Richard <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 23 November 2017 10:33:16 AM
NZDT, Shane Vickers <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>ESC band in this topic,� The original poster
mentioned Area 22. Can I confirm where this is?�
No point getting excited if they are rolling out
in Wellington!<br>
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Auckland is using F Band high to assist with skip
issues from Aussie many moons ago..<br>
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I am assuming Auckland is Area 22 as they have UHF
systems in play..�� I am could be so wrong.....<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at
9:45 AM, Mike Bailey <span dir="ltr"> <<a
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<div dir="ltr">My apologies - no regular
operational channels. Yes some HF and airband
stuff is listed, but good on ya if you've
heard anything operational on it... ever.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 at
09:36 Chris H <<a
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wrote:<br>
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<p>When you say no police frequencies
at all I beg to differ on that
statement:�</p>
<p>Here is just one search I did for
Police - like page 2 of 5 or
something.�</p>
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<td>126153</td>
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<td>131.300000</td>
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<tr
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<td>ACX45</td>
<td>119.100000</td>
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<tr
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<td>ACX5</td>
<td>118.100000</td>
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<tr
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title="31640">31640</a></td>
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title="32224">32224</a></td>
<td>135095</td>
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<td>ARX52</td>
<td>131.300000</td>
<td>PAPAROA</td>
<td>BT19 636042</td>
<td>Aero Base (Off Route)</td>
<td>Current</td>
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<p>On 23/11/2017 09:07 AM, Mike Bailey
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<div dir="ltr">RSM work in
mysterious ways. You'll notice
they don't list any Police
frequencies at all. I wonder if
this falls under the same sort of
category - that its RSM approved
(lets face it, Fire wouldn't go
rogue on frequencies), and its
just not published for privacy and
security of communications?
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, 23 Nov
2017 at 08:57 Grant Carroll
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<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>I'm a bit confused as
well.!</p>
<p>On the RSM website
the frequencies
assigned to Fire and
Emergency New Zealand
between 492.21875MHz
and 497.19375MHz are
shown as "Land Mobile
- mobile transmit" and
the repeater
frequencies don't
start until
498.800MHz. So how are
the lower frequencies
being used as
"portable frequencies"
for incident ground
communications?</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
<p>Grunter1.</p>
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