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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-NZ link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mike,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What sort of patterns, responses and distinct environments are you interested in? How will you separate the traffic relating to crimes vs those relating to all the other things that police talk about?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you need Crime patterns and response data for legitimate research there should be no problem in getting the information you need just by asking for it. It is not secret. However you will need to be quite specific as to what you ask for. (Getting the correct information will require time and effort to locate – fishing expeditions from people who don’t actually know what information they want would not be welcome). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>However fact that you even suggest that tracking the locations from which police radio comms originate could provide any relevant data about crime patterns or response tactics suggests that you probably need to learn quite a bit more about the subject before you start making information requests.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Re the legality of triangulation etc – suggest you read the legislation for yourself it is quite clear what is and is not allowed:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Radiocommunications Act 1989 S 133A </span><a href="http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1989/0148/latest/link.aspx?id=DLM197387"><span style='font-size:11.5pt;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm;background:white'>Offence to disclose contents of radiocommunications</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> (Any Communications, not just “Private”)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Crimes Act 1961 S216B Interception of Private Communications (this is more serious, hence the 2 yr jail term)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Re the practicalities: Give it a try and let us know how you get on. It’s theoretically possible, but in reality you don’t have a snowballs chance in hell of getting any useable information.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Andy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> TheList [mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>No Name<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 22 October 2012 10:35 p.m.<br><b>To:</b> thelist@radiowiki.org.nz<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TheList] Encrypted radio<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Thanks for the advice. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>I was interested in patterns of crime, and patterns of police responses, in a series of distinct physical environments.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>There's only so much information you can draw from the official crime stats, and I was thinking this might be a better way of analysing Police allocation of resources. I've just had another thought - I might be able to get a similar set of data if I use the Official Information Act to request movement from Police vehicles via on-board GPS.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>As a matter of interest, would triangulation be illegal for any other radio transmissions, or just Police, or just "encrypted" Police?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Mike Wilson<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Mike Bailey <<a href="mailto:tahiini@gmail.com">tahiini@gmail.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:thelist@radiowiki.org.nz">thelist@radiowiki.org.nz</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 22 October 2012 10:23 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TheList] Encrypted radio</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>I define it as such:<br><br>It'd be a really really bad idea to try and triangulate any Police<br>transmissions - the question has to be asked, why would you want to<br>anyway?<br><br>It'd be a really really REALLY bad idea to tell anyone about it, or<br>even suggest to anyone you were doing such an act. That'd go as far as<br>asking asking above whether it could be done, or how it could be done.<br>If the Police found you were doing such a thing, you're likely going<br>to get charged under some act.<br><br>Its a question thats a lot safer not being asked.<br><br>On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Tristin Davis<br><<a href="mailto:tristindavis@windowslive.com">tristindavis@windowslive.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Isn't it only illegal providing you act on the information as per general<br>> scanning?<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>>> From: <a href="mailto:abrill@ihug.co.nz">abrill@ihug.co.nz</a><br>>> To: <a href="mailto:thelist@radiowiki.org.nz">thelist@radiowiki.org.nz</a><br>>> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:49:54 +1300<br>>> Subject: Re: [TheList] Encrypted radio<br>><br>>><br>>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 6:58 PM, No Name <<a href="mailto:kino_flo@yahoo.com">kino_flo@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> I realise it's illegal (and virtually impossible/impracticable) to decrypt<br>>> an encrypted Police transmission<br>>><br>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>> From: TheList [mailto:<a href="mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz">thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz</a>] On Behalf Of<br>>> Daniel<br>>> Richards<br>>> Sent: Monday, 22 October 2012 7:40 p.m.<br>>><br>>> Where does it say it's actually illegal?<br>>><br>>><br>>> Crimes Act 1961, section 216B<br>>> Prohibition on use of interception devices<br>>> (1 ) Subject to subsections (2) to (5), every one is liable to<br>>> imprisonment<br>>> for a term not exceeding 2 years who intentionally intercepts any private<br>>> communication by means of an interception device.<br>>><br>>><br>>> intercept, in relation to a private communication, includes hear, listen<br>>> to,<br>>> record, monitor, acquire, or receive the communication either-<br>>> (a)while it is taking place; or<br>>> (b)while it is in transit<br>>><br>>> interception device-<br>>> means any electronic, mechanical, electromagnetic, optical, or<br>>> electro-optical instrument, apparatus, equipment, or other device that is<br>>> used or is capable of being used to intercept a private communication<br>>><br>>> private communication-<br>>> means a communication (whether in oral or written form or otherwise) made<br>>> under circumstances that may reasonably be taken to indicate that any<br>>> party<br>>> to the communication desires it to be confined to the parties to the<br>>> communication;<br>>><br>>><br>>> Andy<br>>><br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> TheList mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:TheList@radiowiki.org.nz">TheList@radiowiki.org.nz</a><br>>> <a href="http://radiowiki.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/thelist_radiowiki.org.nz" target="_blank">http://radiowiki.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/thelist_radiowiki.org.nz</a><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> TheList mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:TheList@radiowiki.org.nz">TheList@radiowiki.org.nz</a><br>> <a href="http://radiowiki.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/thelist_radiowiki.org.nz" target="_blank">http://radiowiki.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/thelist_radiowiki.org.nz</a><br>><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>TheList mailing list<br><a href="mailto:TheList@radiowiki.org.nz">TheList@radiowiki.org.nz</a><br><a href="http://radiowiki.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/thelist_radiowiki.org.nz" target="_blank">http://radiowiki.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/thelist_radiowiki.org.nz</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>