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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>they are saying that they will have rolled out to
all the channels by 2014, what channels do they class as low priority? what
would the South Canterbury channel be classed as?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=zl3tmb@ihug.co.nz
href="mailto:zl3tmb@ihug.co.nz">Mike Barnes (ZL3TMB)</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:09 AM</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=718130612-26052009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The police will be the same as the GSM & CDMA phones,
not something to listen to with the new technology.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=718130612-26052009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>BUT</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=718130612-26052009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>5 years is a long time for technology! Some cleaver
bugger will get it to decode.....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=718130612-26052009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>But then it will be a matter of "National security" and
you'll be taken to court as a terrorist for listening</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=718130612-26052009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Cheers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=718130612-26052009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Mike</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz">thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz</A>
[mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Chris
Hoffmann<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 26 May 2009 7:50 p.m.<BR><B>To:</B>
thelist@radiowiki.org.nz<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [TheList] Encription
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<P><FONT size=2>All encryption is breakable, however the encryption that will be
in use on the new network will be safe for a number of
years... <BR><BR>However obtaining radio key then keeping up with the re
keying would on paper work, you would need some very clever bunny to write some
rather complex software and there just isn't the interest world wide to put the
required effort into it. Then you also face the fact that it would be illegal to
decrypt it even if you could. Also I don't think Police I&T will be given
out keys in fortune cookies to begin with. Even if you were to lay your hands on
a radio, you will not be able to read the key from it.<BR><BR>So I guess it is
back to whatever it was we did before scanning :-(<BR><BR>----- Original Message
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<thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz><BR>To: thelist@radiowiki.org.nz
<thelist@radiowiki.org.nz><BR>Sent: Tue May 26 19:36:13 2009<BR>Subject:
Re: [TheList] Encription installation commences<BR><BR>Even then,
no.<BR><BR><BR><BR>As Neill posted a few days ago, it requires 10,000ish years
was it Neill? with the current available computing power to crack the key. But
the key changes frequently so it will be quite out of date after 10,000 years
anyway J<BR><BR><BR><BR>This system has been in use around the world for years,
no one has cracked the encryption, and it is widely believed that no-one will
anytime soon.<BR><BR><BR><BR>But if anyone wants to fire up the dusty old 386 in
their garage and have a go, by all means be my guest
J<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>From: thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz [<A
href="mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz">mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz</A>]
On Behalf Of Shane Vickers<BR>Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 7:24 p.m.<BR>To:
thelist@radiowiki.org.nz<BR>Subject: Re: [TheList] Encription installation
commences<BR><BR><BR><BR>With money I guess it could
be..<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>From: thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz [<A
href="mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz">mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz</A>]
On Behalf Of Scott Palmer<BR>Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 7:21 p.m.<BR>To:
thelist@radiowiki.org.nz<BR>Subject: Re: [TheList] Encription installation
commences<BR><BR><BR><BR>Do you really think it will be that
simple?<BR><BR><BR><BR>(Answer =
no)<BR><BR><BR><BR>J<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>From:
thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz [<A
href="mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz">mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz</A>]
On Behalf Of Gary<BR>Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 6:37 p.m.<BR>To:
thelist@radiowiki.org.nz<BR>Subject: Re: [TheList] Encription installation
commences<BR><BR><BR><BR>Well thinking outside the
circle<BR><BR><BR><BR>Wouldn't it be easier to just get the same speced radio
and secretly clone one of the others and disable the kill
feature?<BR><BR><BR><BR>another thing, if its a case of having the key - have
some way to recognise the data transmitted to change the keys/encryption and set
up some system to only listen for that change and record/decode
it?<BR><BR><BR><BR>Cos surely at some stage someone will have a radio turned off
or battery go flat when the new key is transmitted so will have to listen out
for it unencrypted or is this some multi-layered system that can transmit with
multiple different sets of encryption at the same time?<BR><BR><BR><BR>Food for
thought?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On 26/05/2009 5:48:32 p.m., Rick
(smithr@ihug.co.nz) wrote:<BR>> Hi Ray.<BR>><BR>> Not sure if even our
experts could decode apc25 encryption.<BR>> Perhaps a digital receiver
combined with a Cray supercomputer and many<BR>> hours<BR>> of programming
may get you close but that is likely all thwarted by the<BR>> "over the air
rekeying".<BR>><BR>> Now what did we all do before scanners came
along?<BR>><BR>> Rick.<BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>>
From: thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz<BR>> [<A
href="mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz">mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz</A>]
On Behalf Of RayC<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:29<BR>> To:
thelist@radiowiki.org.nz<BR>> Subject: [TheList] Encription installation
commences<BR>><BR>> What would be the best radio to buy to listen to
the police.<BR><BR><BR>--<BR>This message has been scanned for viruses
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