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color:#1F497D'>dam does this mean in large influx of babies....oh sorry no more
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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[mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris Hoffmann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 26 May 2009 7:50 p.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> thelist@radiowiki.org.nz<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TheList] Encription installation commences<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>All encryption is breakable, however the
encryption that will be in use on the new network will be safe for a number of
years... <br>
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However obtaining radio key then keeping up with the re keying would on paper
work, you would need some very clever bunny to write some rather complex
software and there just isn't the interest world wide to put the required
effort into it. Then you also face the fact that it would be illegal to decrypt
it even if you could. Also I don't think Police I&T will be given out keys
in fortune cookies to begin with. Even if you were to lay your hands on a
radio, you will not be able to read the key from it.<br>
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So I guess it is back to whatever it was we did before scanning :-(<br>
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From: thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz <thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz><br>
To: thelist@radiowiki.org.nz <thelist@radiowiki.org.nz><br>
Sent: Tue May 26 19:36:13 2009<br>
Subject: Re: [TheList] Encription installation commences<br>
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Even then, no.<br>
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As Neill posted a few days ago, it requires 10,000ish years was it Neill? with
the current available computing power to crack the key. But the key changes
frequently so it will be quite out of date after 10,000 years anyway J<br>
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This system has been in use around the world for years, no one has cracked the
encryption, and it is widely believed that no-one will anytime soon.<br>
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But if anyone wants to fire up the dusty old 386 in their garage and have a go,
by all means be my guest J<br>
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From: thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz [<a
href="mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz">mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz</a>]
On Behalf Of Shane Vickers<br>
Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 7:24 p.m.<br>
To: thelist@radiowiki.org.nz<br>
Subject: Re: [TheList] Encription installation commences<br>
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With money I guess it could be..<br>
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From: thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz [<a
href="mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz">mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz</a>]
On Behalf Of Scott Palmer<br>
Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 7:21 p.m.<br>
To: thelist@radiowiki.org.nz<br>
Subject: Re: [TheList] Encription installation commences<br>
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Do you really think it will be that simple?<br>
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(Answer = no)<br>
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J<br>
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From: thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz [<a
href="mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz">mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz</a>]
On Behalf Of Gary<br>
Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 6:37 p.m.<br>
To: thelist@radiowiki.org.nz<br>
Subject: Re: [TheList] Encription installation commences<br>
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Well thinking outside the circle<br>
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Wouldn't it be easier to just get the same speced radio and secretly clone one
of the others and disable the kill feature?<br>
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another thing, if its a case of having the key - have some way to recognise the
data transmitted to change the keys/encryption and set up some system to only
listen for that change and record/decode it?<br>
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Cos surely at some stage someone will have a radio turned off or battery go
flat when the new key is transmitted so will have to listen out for it
unencrypted or is this some multi-layered system that can transmit with
multiple different sets of encryption at the same time?<br>
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Food for thought?<br>
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On 26/05/2009 5:48:32 p.m., Rick (smithr@ihug.co.nz) wrote:<br>
> Hi Ray.<br>
><br>
> Not sure if even our experts could decode apc25 encryption.<br>
> Perhaps a digital receiver combined with a Cray supercomputer and many<br>
> hours<br>
> of programming may get you close but that is likely all thwarted by the<br>
> "over the air rekeying".<br>
><br>
> Now what did we all do before scanners came along?<br>
><br>
> Rick.<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz<br>
> [<a href="mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz">mailto:thelist-bounces@radiowiki.org.nz</a>]
On Behalf Of RayC<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:29<br>
> To: thelist@radiowiki.org.nz<br>
> Subject: [TheList] Encription installation commences<br>
><br>
> What would be the best radio to buy to listen to the police.<br>
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