[TheList] TheList Digest, Vol 121, Issue 13

Mon Feb 24 19:34:11 AEDT 2020

He did mention just before that he was still hearing it.. Now that we know what you're trying to listen to, I can help to some degree with settings. 

For the vital/team talk networks - keep monitoring it the way you are, you can't do anything different with your scanner.

If the smartnet system is still going, you'll want to set your system to type2 800mhz, 
i-call to enabled (displayed IDs may be weird, but this allows you to monitor 'private calls') or disabled

End code should be No (I believe the other option means the scanner should end monitoring with squelch ending - if two users are talking then you'll stop following the group call as soon as someone releases the ptt) 

and set status bits probably to no. Status bits will change the displayed talkgroup ID to ID+status bit. So for an emergency group call. The group ID of 1000 would become 1002. See https://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Motorola_Type_II_Smartnet 

EDACS doesn't apply, this isn't an EDACS system. 

Control channel is asking for *drumroll* the control channel... If you're not aware of what that is, RSM t l Parker and chose the site you're trying to monitor... Add all of the 800meg freqs to a scan group and one of the frequencies will be making a lot of noise... That's your control channel. Be aware control channels can change automatically without warning (so if things suddenly stop working, it's likely the control channel changed and you'll need to re find it)

Also be aware that when all subscribers leave that site you're monitoring, you'll no longer hear their traffic - this is normal, intentional behaviour. 
Richard 
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Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse my brevity, punctuation and spelling. 

On 24 February 2020 9:04:54 pm NZDT, Brendan Sheehy <shiters_r_us at hotmail.com> wrote:
>Allan
>
>It would appear the TLParker analogue smartnet was upgraded to digital
>back in 2014.
>
>That was the only network I know of that was able to be trunk tracked.
>
>Everything seems to be heading the Digital way nowadays.
>
>Regards
>
>Brendan
>
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>From: Allan Kennaird<mailto:Noddy1961 at xtra.co.nz>
>Sent: Monday, 24 February 2020 8:46 PM
>To: thelist at radiowiki.org.nz<mailto:thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>
>Subject: Re: [TheList] TheList Digest, Vol 121, Issue 13
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>to all that have put there pennies worth on here:
>
>I am nearly 60 years of age, I have been involved with scanning or
>listening to Emergency Services (And before you think of reading this
>wrong, I am not saying the our emergency services are on trunking),
>Since I was 16 years old, therefore I should know how to work a radio,
>I
>do NOT want to purchase Dongles or SDR's etc, the scanner that I have
>in
>front of me (it is getting old), takes all the trunking frequencies
>that
>Teamtalk and TL Parker has had listed on the radio wiki page for
>Canterbury..
>
>As simple request was in the first Message that I posted:
>it read that I require the correct information to enter into the
>scanner
>so that I can separate these frequencies into talk groups. if you
>cannot
>provide this information (And I am sure that there may be someone out
>there that can), please DO Not reply..
>I know the scanner can receive on these frequencies, because I heard
>them today..
>if the control codes are no longer available due to advancement in
>technology, then so be it, If we still have trunk tracking, and those
>frequencies on radio wiki are current, then the information must still
>be out there somewhere. the manual for the scanner has Fleet maps and
>Fleet map size Codes (factory),
>
>
>
>
>On 24/02/2020 8:19 pm, thelist-request at radiowiki.org.nz wrote:
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>> Currently there is no scanner that does mpt. Best bet is use an SDR
>with
>> unitrunker or buy a Tait 8200
>>
>> On Mon, 24 Feb 2020, 20:12 richard Pringle, <uncledingo at live.com>
>wrote:
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>>> The national page i believe has more information regarding Mpt1327.
>>> Cap+ ,Con+, P25 and several other DMR trunked system in
>>> Canterbury/Christchurch.
>>> I just use a SDR and DSD+
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>>>     1. trunking (Allan Kennaird)
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>>>     3. Re: trunk tracking (Brendan Sheehy)
>>>     4. Re: trunking (DogSecurity - Richard)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 18:58:11 +1300
>>> From: Allan Kennaird <Noddy1961 at xtra.co.nz>
>>> To: thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
>>> Subject: [TheList] trunking
>>> Message-ID: <b4be26a7-9e76-e8f9-2e9a-d1bd157deb32 at xtra.co.nz>
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>>> Hi Guys,
>>> As Firefrog has mentioned, I do not want to use anything else, other
>>> than my scanner(s) the BC785D is a Digital ready Apco-25 Scanner,
>Ctcss
>>> & Dcs that has trunk tracker 3 capabilities. I have outdoor
>Antenna's .
>>> I have noticed that on the Auckland Page of Radio-wiki, there is
>>> comprehensive trunking information, but the Canterbury Page doesn't
>>> elaborate into what settings are needed to obtain to get the
>trunking
>>> system to work.
>>>
>>> The software that I use is Proscan:
>>> to upload to the scanner the following information is required:
>>> Trunk Type = Off, Motorola Type1, Type 2, 800mhz, Type 2, 900mhz,
>Type 2
>>> VHF, Type 2 UHF
>>> Edacs = not sure if available in NZ
>>> I-Call - ?
>>> Control Channel = ??
>>>
>>>
>=============================================================================================
>>> Hi Greg,
>>> Still got that BCT8 you sold me, have installed into car, got a
>scantx
>>> antenna from Aussie, works a treat :-)
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>>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 19:10:08 +1300
>>> From: DogSecurity - Richard <richard at dogsecurity.co.nz>
>>> To: Deadsearch at xtra.co.nz,thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
>>> Subject: Re: [TheList] trunking
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>>> The scanner needs the P25 card to do P25 and I think it was limited
>to
>>> phase1... Type 1 and 2 wasn't a big thing here, the only LTR stuff
>would be
>>> the prisons that are now digital encrypted in Canterbury. I never
>heard of
>>> any EDACS systems either.  So unfortunately to be the barer of bad
>news,
>>> but I don't see you listening to much trunking stuff with that
>scanner to
>>> be fair.
>>> Richard
>>> ----------------------
>>> Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse my brevity, punctuation and
>>> spelling.
>>>
>>> On 24 February 2020 6:58:11 pm NZDT, Allan Kennaird
><Noddy1961 at xtra.co.nz>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>> As Firefrog has mentioned, I do not want to use anything else,
>other
>>>> than my scanner(s) the BC785D is a Digital ready Apco-25 Scanner,
>Ctcss
>>>>
>>>> & Dcs that has trunk tracker 3 capabilities. I have outdoor
>Antenna's .
>>>>
>>>> I have noticed that on the Auckland Page of Radio-wiki, there is
>>>> comprehensive trunking information, but the Canterbury Page doesn't
>>>> elaborate into what settings are needed to obtain to get the
>trunking
>>>> system to work.
>>>>
>>>> The software that I use is Proscan:
>>>> to upload to the scanner the following information is required:
>>>> Trunk Type = Off, Motorola Type1, Type 2, 800mhz, Type 2, 900mhz,
>Type
>>>> 2
>>>> VHF, Type 2 UHF
>>>> Edacs = not sure if available in NZ
>>>> I-Call - ?
>>>> Control Channel = ??
>>>>
>=============================================================================================
>>>> Hi Greg,
>>>> Still got that BCT8 you sold me, have installed into car, got a
>scantx
>>>> antenna from Aussie, works a treat :-)
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>>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 06:37:53 +0000
>>> From: Brendan Sheehy <shiters_r_us at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "thelist at radiowiki.org.nz" <thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>,
>>>          "Deadsearch at xtra.co.nz" <Deadsearch at xtra.co.nz>
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>>> It's been quite some time since I was last in chch.
>>> >From memory I was only able to monitor the t l parker 800mhz stuff.
>>> I am not sure if it's still analogue trunking or if they have moved
>to dmr.
>>> Any locals that monitor via the sdr's may be able to tell us that?
>>>
>>> From: TheList <thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz> on behalf of Allan
>>> Kennaird <Noddy1961 at xtra.co.nz>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 6:06:05 PM
>>> To: thelist at radiowiki.org.nz <thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>
>>> Subject: Re: [TheList] trunk tracking
>>>
>>> Hi Brendan,
>>> Not sure who the other person was that replied, but I have seen a
>lot of
>>> posts from you regarding scanning etc,
>>>
>>> I?ve got a BC785D, Trunk tracker3, I having a play with everything
>on
>>> it, and decided to have a  go at trunk tracking. I have all the
>>> frequencies from the Wiki page for Canterbury, but I don?t know what
>>> information I have to enter regarding the settings, control codes
>etc
>>>
>>> Motorola type 1, type 2 UHF, VHF etc
>>> any help very much appreciated
>>>
>>> regards
>>> The Deadman
>>> Allan
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>>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 19:39:33 +1300
>>> From: DogSecurity - Richard <richard at dogsecurity.co.nz>
>>> To: Thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
>>> Subject: Re: [TheList] trunking
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>>>
>>> Take a step back and answer what we're indirectly asking.
>>>
>>> The settings you mentioned are for a pile of systems not really used
>in
>>> NZ.  As has been previously mentioned, your scanner won't do MPT1327
>>> trunking (short of putting in all frequencies of the site you're
>listening
>>> to, then removing the control channel - which won't allow following
>certain
>>> users) There's no DMR capability (so rules out Vitals Tier3, Orion
>Tier3
>>> and Push Wireless)
>>>
>>>  From your tone you're getting frustrated, which is fine, but you
>haven't
>>> mentioned who you're trying to listen to, so we can't help with
>settings
>>> until we know the system type, which we can start to work out by the
>user.
>>> You say you've listened to 'the trunking system' but not which one
>>>
>>> There wasn't any unencrypted P25 audio when I was down last, and I
>don't
>>> know if its type 1 or type 2.  As I mentioned, I don't think your
>card does
>>> type2 so be aware of that also.
>>>
>>> ----------------------
>>> Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse my brevity, punctuation and
>>> spelling.
>>>
>>> On 24 February 2020 7:13:44 pm NZDT, Allan Kennaird
><Noddy1961 at xtra.co.nz>
>>> wrote:
>>>> the scanner is apco-25 therefore it has a Bci card installed, a few
>>>> years ago, i had the trunking system working, but since have lost
>the
>>>> information to enter. the trunking frequencies are available on the
>>>> Canterbury Radio _wiki web page, the Prisons in Canterbury have
>there
>>>> own Encrypted frequencies, I visit one of them daily so I do know
>>>> this..
>>>> All i want is the information needed...
>>>>
>>>> Please if you can't help with the information, please don?t reply
>to
>>>> this message
>>>>
>>>> On 24/02/2020 7:10 pm, DogSecurity - Richard wrote:
>>>>> The scanner needs the P25 card to do P25 and I think it was
>limited
>>>> to
>>>>> phase1... Type 1 and 2 wasn't a big thing here, the only LTR stuff
>>>>> would be the prisons that are now digital encrypted in Canterbury.
>I
>>>>> never heard of any EDACS systems either. So unfortunately to be
>the
>>>>> barer of bad news, but I don't see you listening to much trunking
>>>>> stuff with that scanner to be fair.
>>>>> Richard
>>>>>
>>>>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse my brevity, punctuation
>and
>>>>> spelling.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24 February 2020 6:58:11 pm NZDT, Allan Kennaird
>>>>> <Noddy1961 at xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>      Hi Guys,
>>>>>      As Firefrog has mentioned, I do not want to use anything
>else,
>>>> other
>>>>>      than my scanner(s) the BC785D is a Digital ready Apco-25
>Scanner,
>>>> Ctcss
>>>>>      & Dcs that has trunk tracker 3 capabilities. I have outdoor
>>>> Antenna's .
>>>>>      I have noticed that on the Auckland Page of Radio-wiki, there
>is
>>>>>      comprehensive trunking information, but the Canterbury Page
>>>> doesn't
>>>>>      elaborate into what settings are needed to obtain to get the
>>>> trunking
>>>>>      system to work.
>>>>>
>>>>>      The software that I use is Proscan:
>>>>>      to upload to the scanner the following information is
>required:
>>>>>      Trunk Type = Off, Motorola Type1, Type 2, 800mhz, Type 2,
>900mhz,
>>>> Type 2
>>>>>      VHF, Type 2 UHF
>>>>>      Edacs = not sure if available in NZ
>>>>>      I-Call - ?
>>>>>      Control Channel = ??
>>>>>
>>>>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>      Hi Greg,
>>>>>      Still got that BCT8 you sold me, have installed into car, got
>a
>>>> scantx
>>>>>      antenna from Aussie, works a treat :-)
>>>>>
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