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Ambo are unencrypted.

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Is that encrypted, or is the P25 unencrypted for the Ambo’s

My understanding was only the police were being encrypted… (as they have something to hide I assume)

On 12/02/2020, at 12:07 PM, Mark Foster <blakjak at gmail.com<mailto:blakjak at gmail.com>> wrote:

Yes. Ambulance in Wellington is now on the Police-operated AoG P25 network.  The analogue network is still in place, in particular to support ambulance units coming into Wellington from outside the P25 coverage area.
You'll hear occasional traffic on the old network as a result, but it's pretty quiet.

Mark. (speaking personally)

On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 3:18 PM Leith Cullen <leithacullen at gmail.com<mailto:leithacullen at gmail.com>> wrote:
because isnt ambulance in wellington on P25 network now?

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   1. Re: Is Wellington all digital? (gklm)
   2. Re: Is Wellington all digital? (Brendan Sheehy)

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 14:22:20 +1300
From: gklm <gklm at slingshot.co.nz<mailto:gklm at slingshot.co.nz>>
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Subject: Re: [TheList] Is Wellington all digital?
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Before you buy a scanner, there is something else to consider. For some
reason, later Uniden scanners cannot successfully decode the Ambulance
trunking in Wellington (that is ONLY my experience anyway.) An older
UBCD396T decodes successfully, i.e. you can monitor Ambos in WGN no problem.

With a UBCD396XT, and indeed, a USDS100, you see the scanning of the
trunked network pause, display the talk group briefly, then continue to
scan. No audio is ever heard.

I have tried to research this and adjust parameters etc, but no luck.

Anybody else able to monitor ambulance in Wellington on a Uniden?

Mark.
Auckland.

On 2020-02-11 13:21, DogSecurity - Richard wrote:
> The obvious choice would be a USDS200. Be aware that you won't get
> much change from a grand. You'd need to approach a uniden dealer to
> see if they'll bring them in. I bought my 100 about 8 months ago and
> it had to come from Aussie. If you want to receive DMR, it'll be an
> extra $75.
>
> If you're not in a hurry, you could also get an American model from
> scannermaster/ebay/amazon/universal-radio/zipscanners like a BCD536HP
> or BCD996P2, or over in the whistler camp a TRX-2.
>
> You'll need to work out the control channel (
> http://www.w2sjw.com/radio_sounds.html or download Artemis for what
> P25 sounds like) and then use your current scanner and scan the ESB
> band. The uniden scanner, once programmed with the talkgroup and your
> local control channel, will track the channels itself (only enter the
> control channel frequency) I'd assume the Whistler is the same but I'm
> no help there. They won't track DMR trunking (ie, if you were
> following a user on the Vital tier3 network [the successor to
> Fleetlink/Actionnet] , you need to know the control channel AND the
> voice channels)
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> Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse my brevity, punctuation and
> spelling.
>
> On 11 February 2020 11:48:37 am NZDT, No Name <kino_flo at yahoo.com<mailto:kino_flo at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>     Does anyone have any suggestions for a car-based scanner that
>     could pick up the unencrypted digital Wellington Free, as well as
>     other analogue freqencies.  Would be using an external whip antenna.
>
>
>     On Tuesday, 11 February 2020, 12:19:22 am NZDT, DogSecurity -
>     Richard <richard at dogsecurity.co.nz<mailto:richard at dogsecurity.co.nz>> wrote:
>
>
>     WFA is digital, not encrypted on the VHF P25 network. The analog
>     frequencies are still active for St John when they come into the
>     area.
>
>     Fire is still on ESA
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>     Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse my brevity, punctuation
>     and spelling.
>
>     On 10 February 2020 9:32:32 pm NZDT, Dan News <dan at dannews.co.nz<mailto:dan at dannews.co.nz>>
>     wrote:
>
>         Just looking at the Radio Wiki info for Wellington and I'm not
>         sure about fire or ambo being digital/encrypted or not?
>
>         Does anyone know if they are?
>
>         Also, are they linked to include areas further up the North
>         Island?
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 02:14:24 +0000
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I was able to monitor it on both my sds100 and ubcd396t when I was last up there.

Brendan

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Subject: Re: [TheList] Is Wellington all digital?

Before you buy a scanner, there is something else to consider. For some reason, later Uniden scanners cannot successfully decode the Ambulance trunking in Wellington (that is ONLY my experience anyway.) An older UBCD396T decodes successfully, i.e. you can monitor Ambos in WGN no problem.

With a UBCD396XT, and indeed, a USDS100, you see the scanning of the trunked network pause, display the talk group briefly, then continue to scan. No audio is ever heard.

I have tried to research this and adjust parameters etc, but no luck.

Anybody else able to monitor ambulance in Wellington on a Uniden?

Mark.
Auckland.

On 2020-02-11 13:21, DogSecurity - Richard wrote:
The obvious choice would be a USDS200. Be aware that you won't get much change from a grand. You'd need to approach a uniden dealer to see if they'll bring them in. I bought my 100 about 8 months ago and it had to come from Aussie. If you want to receive DMR, it'll be an extra $75.

If you're not in a hurry, you could also get an American model from scannermaster/ebay/amazon/universal-radio/zipscanners like a BCD536HP or BCD996P2, or over in the whistler camp a TRX-2.

You'll need to work out the control channel ( <http://www.w2sjw.com/radio_sounds.html> http://www.w2sjw.com/radio_sounds.html or download Artemis for what P25 sounds like) and then use your current scanner and scan the ESB band. The uniden scanner, once programmed with the talkgroup and your local control channel, will track the channels itself (only enter the control channel frequency) I'd assume the Whistler is the same but I'm no help there. They won't track DMR trunking (ie, if you were following a user on the Vital tier3 network [the successor to Fleetlink/Actionnet] , you need to know the control channel AND the voice channels)
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Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse my brevity, punctuation and spelling.

On 11 February 2020 11:48:37 am NZDT, No Name <kino_flo at yahoo.com<mailto:kino_flo at yahoo.com>><mailto:kino_flo at yahoo.com<mailto:kino_flo at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Does anyone have any suggestions for a car-based scanner that could pick up the unencrypted digital Wellington Free, as well as other analogue freqencies.  Would be using an external whip antenna.

On Tuesday, 11 February 2020, 12:19:22 am NZDT, DogSecurity - Richard <richard at dogsecurity.co.nz<mailto:richard at dogsecurity.co.nz>><mailto:richard at dogsecurity.co.nz<mailto:richard at dogsecurity.co.nz>> wrote:

WFA is digital, not encrypted on the VHF P25 network. The analog frequencies are still active for St John when they come into the area.

Fire is still on ESA
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Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse my brevity, punctuation and spelling.

On 10 February 2020 9:32:32 pm NZDT, Dan News <dan at dannews.co.nz<mailto:dan at dannews.co.nz>><mailto:dan at dannews.co.nz<mailto:dan at dannews.co.nz>> wrote:
Just looking at the Radio Wiki info for Wellington and I'm not sure about fire or ambo being digital/encrypted or not?

Does anyone know if they are?

Also, are they linked to include areas further up the North Island?

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