[TheList] FYI

Fri Mar 8 12:52:28 AEDT 2013

Yes, thanks for the links.

It is interesting too, how much traffic analysis can be conducted with an
off-the-shelf scanner (Uniden UBCD396XT) and a directional antenna. The
scanner will display the radio ID along with the iCall ID of both parties.

Mark.
Auckland
New Zealand.

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From: TheList [mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz]On Behalf Of
Daniel Richards
Sent: Friday, 8 March 2013 14:46
To: thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
Subject: Re: [TheList] FYI

Also note that there are a bunch of vulnerabilities in AP25 itself
including in how they do the crypto for encrypted AP25.

See https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2011/08/security_flaws.html
and http://www.nicta.com.au/pub?doc=5076

On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 2:41 PM, gklm <gklm at slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
> Or in Australia, they have not encrypted Fire or Ambo in Adelaide,
Melbourne
> or Sydney. They have added these service to the respective Government
Radio
> Network. The system is APCO 25, digital, trunking. Police talk group IDs
are
> encrypted. Ambo and Fire (and State Emergency Service, Coastguard, Country
> Fire Authority and MANY other users) and in the clear - only police
traffic
> is encrypted.
>
> No idea of whether 'funds' comes into it in Oz, or whether only police
> traffic is deemed necessary of encryption.
>
> Of course, don't be misled - you CAN monitor encrypted police traffice -
you
> just can't understand anything! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Mark.
> Auckland
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TheList [mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz]On Behalf Of
> nivick at vodafone.co.nz
> Sent: Friday, 8 March 2013 11:43
> To: thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [TheList] FYI
>
> Reading they are scrapping funds for further expansion of the secure
police
> system, would the funds be available to secure fire and ambos?
>
> Would not think so.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 08/03/2013 09:29, gklm wrote:
>
> Hi O...
>
> If Australia is anything to go by, then police will be encrypted (as they
> are now) but ambulance and fire will not be. If that ends up being the
case,
> then you can monitor ambo and fire still, with a digital-,
trunking-capable
> scanner.
>
> Mark.
> Auckland.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TheList [mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz]On Behalf Of Oliver
> Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2013 20:24
> To: thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [TheList] FYI
>
> Hmmm,
>
> And will Fire and Ambo bother with the expense of encryption? Would seem
> like a waste of $ to me.
>
> O
> From: Tristin Davis
> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 7:16 PM
> To: thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
> Subject: Re: [TheList] FYI
> Beat me to it ;)
>
> I believe that means no money to continue the rollout and although Fire
and
> Ambo in the areas were Police are already digital will probably go Digital
> too it probably means the rest of NZ will not.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 19:14:04 +1300
> From: nzscanners at gmail.com
> To: thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
> Subject: [TheList] FYI
>
> Interesting stuff.......
>
> Steve Ausin
>
>
> Hi,
>
> A new news release is available for you to view on the Police website:
>
> Title: Aggregated model for Whole of Government Radio Network (WGRN)
>
> An aggregated service model is the agreed way forward for the Whole of
> Government Radio Network (WGRN).
>
> "Approved by Government in December last year, the model will see a mix of
> both digital and analogue radio networks for use by public protection and
> disaster relief agencies," says Police Deputy Commissioner Resource
> Management, Viv Rickard.
>
> A governance board will be established to drive efficiency, enhance
> interoperability, and review and coordinate future investment in radio
> communications.
>
> "The governance board will work with future adopting agencies to integrate
> them into the Whole of Government approach under the aggregated service
> model," says Mr Rickard.
>
> The decision will see Police continue to operate on its digital radio
> network in the three metropolitan areas of Auckland, Wellington and
> Canterbury, while maintaining its analogue network throughout the rest of
> New Zealand.
>
> It is envisaged that by 2014/15 the Fire Service will complete its
> transition to the Police digital network in the three metro areas.
>
> The WGRN business case recommended Ambulance services also move to the
> Police digital radio network. The governance board will work with
Ambulance
> services to further this recommendation.
>
> "Having Police, Fire and the Ambulance services on the same radio network
in
> the three main centres would mean a significant proportion of the
population
> will be covered under a modern digital Land Mobile Radio network. This
> maximises the use of existing assets and provides risk mitigation in the
> event of a mass casualty or major disaster relief incident,” says Mr
> Rickard.
>
> Other interested agencies will come on board to the WGRN as it suits their
> operational and budgetary requirements - a process that will be managed
and
> overseen by the governance board.
>
> Mr Rickard says Police led an inter-agency WGRN Steering Group which
> determined the aggregated service model best met the needs of agencies;
was
> financially viable; made the most of existing radio network infrastructure
> and left room for agencies to further explore and consider new and
emerging
> communications technologies.
>
> ENDS
>
> Contact - Rob Lee, Police Public Affairs, (04) 470 7348.
>
>
> Please view the full news release online at:
>
> http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/34471.html
>
> Thanks,
>
> New Zealand Police
>
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