[TheList] Listening to other stuff.
Kevin Cosgrove
krcosgrove at gmail.com
Tue Dec 7 11:15:04 AEDT 2010
I thought this was a site for those interested in radio with preference to scanning not a site for uneducated political radicals who make statements they have no idea about but have read on some radical site.
Lets keep to radio eh
On 7/12/2010, at 1:02 PM, 11 StatusTenZero wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
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> I'm very concerned with your comments below...
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> >these people have wrong attitude to authority.
> I beg your pardon?
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> What so called authority? are you talking about? I think it's you that have the wrong attitude to authority.
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> What you seem to perceive as authority is no more that a bunch of clowns high on their own perceived power. Much like the Nazis.
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> The police in this country need to remember who works for who. Since they let in the third-rate ex-MOT clowns, the public perception of the police has plummeted, despite their media campaigns to manage their image.
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> Now there is even less chance of monitoring them, and keeping them honest.
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> What we have nowadays, is a bunch of sheep that let the 'authorities' remove whatever rights the public at large has.
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> All in the name of TERRORISM or more recently RUGBY! Where the latest SIS powers have been pushed through. I mean WTF????
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> At last some of the Americans seem to have woken up to the fact that being sexually molested to fly in an aeroplane is a step too far.
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> So, where would YOU draw the line then?
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> >Clean up your act or leave the list.
> YES SIR!
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> Who the hell put YOU in charge? Only in your own mind methinks.
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> Like I said, it's FREE SPEECH. You can count yourself among those trying to suppress it. What does that make you?
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> >It was never like this before
> No, it was boring, and full of sycophants, I'd like to think it had been livened up for a moment.
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> Take a moment and read the following essay, and ask yourself where you'd like to live, it's the future, and it's coming.
> You can either help shape the debate, and the future, or be doomed to live it.
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> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/4.12/fftransparent.html
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> Well, I've said enough for now. Lets see how the list censor reacts to a little debate.
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> I guess they can block me, and go on sleepwalking into the police state or leave things open for debate.
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> We shall see.
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> People who trade liberty for safety deserve neither.
> - Benjamin Franklin
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> STZ
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> On 7/12/2010 11:29 AM, Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
>>
>> This list is getting a bit out of hand.
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>> The language leaves a lot to be desired and shows why these people have wrong attitude to authority. With the way they talk perhaps they have come up on the wrong side of the law
>>
>> Clean up your act or leave the list. It was never like this before
>>
>> Ciao
>>
>> Kevin
>> On 7/12/2010, at 11:08 AM, Mike Bailey wrote:
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>>> kiwi56,
>>>
>>> As someone who works with the Police regularly (Community Patrol), I feel your calling of the Police "pigs" and "arseholes" tends to rub off on me as well.
>>>
>>> With an attitude like that, its no wonder it seems you get targeted.
>>>
>>> Grow up.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On 7/12/2010 10:51, kiwi56 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> I totally agree with everything you say. Before they went digital you would hear the comms operator say if there is any danger blah blah you are to end pursuit. Wonder if they are still saying that ha not likely.
>>>> Most of the pigs out there are young cowboys who think they can be right arseholes to anyone they choose.
>>>> Give them a patrol car and they think they can do what they like.
>>>> Here is another good thing they say we are not revenue collecting what a load of bullshit I actually had a cop admit that he had been told by his sergeant to go to a certain intersection on outskirts of queenstown and book anyone who went through the stop sign.
>>>> I pulled up at this intersection and stopped but my wheels rolled over the line of the stop markings so what happened the young arsehole pulled me up and booked me $250 and then I find out after I paid it that he had no right to book me for a start as I had stopped at the intersection and plus the fine should have only been $150
>>>> Some of the cops that are in wellington are nothing but smart-arsed little pricks who think because they have a uniform they can be arseholes.
>>>> As for police chases back when we could listen in they knew they could not get away with a lot because of people listening but no they are not answerable to us so they can do what they like and they do do what they like.
>>>> I actually think it is the worst thing they could do was go digital but never mind it has happened now.
>>>>
>>>> Getting back to scanning I see telescum are having problems with the paging system for the fire service.
>>>> My son is a volunteer at Wainuiomata and he was saying that their pagers went off the other night but only some of them got the page and this has been happening quite regularly so they have now gone back to sounding the siren for any calls at any time.
>>>> Last night Kilbirnie had the same problem so it is about time that someone got up telecom and told them to fix their systems
>>>> .
>>>> They are a pack of bullshitters as their add for XT with their CEO is down in Glenorchy and he says ah buggar and then says just kidding that the network works down there well it does not. I actually worked on the network when it was being tested and we tested right up to the end of the lake and then across the other side down to the route-burn track and there was never any signal up there and there still is not.
>>>> The reason why their network failed earlier in the year was not Alcatel fault but Telecoms as they were told that they needed to test the network more and that they need more sites etc and they took no notice and then when it fell over they blamed Alcatel.
>>>> Bloody typical
>>>>
>>>> kiwi56
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/7/2010 10:25 AM, Steve Austin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy,
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh Really? then why I ask was the press release delayed? Why did it not contain the full details within the average time of the incident that other serious accidents are reported by the police?
>>>>> I point out that the 1st crash was the evening before....NO Press release about it. The second crash was approximately 12:30 and the press release about both crashes was sent out at 17:59 in time to miss the 6pm news how unusual. Spin I say eh? Tell them only what they need to know and control release it. Fortunately for the media the ambulance and fire were called so they got their details from them. Why is there pressure from the police quarters to encrypt their systems as well ? Not just digital but encrypted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why did I witnessed (In 2006) 7 police cars involved in following an offender when police policy is for two on numerous occasions. Why was I stopped by police whilst enroute to the end result of a pursuit incident where 5 police cars were damaged.I wonder who blatantly blurted over the radio "stop that media guy from getting to the scene" so I was stopped and checked by police on a random stop at 3am in the morning on a deserted suburban street that took about 15 minutes where they, rightfully I might add, checked my licence, tyres, warrant, registration label, breath tested, checked my lights and then I waited while the details came back to them on the radio which were incidently delivered quite fast but the officers chose to sit in their car for 5 minutes and radio back to the incident to make sure that the scene was cleared.......I then got a fantastic escort to the crash scene by no other than the NZ police making sure that I belted up, signalled and did not exceed 50KM/H.
>>>>> The above incident is only one of many...but I don't want to bore people with my stories.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah I know I broke the law acting on Information arrest me. The legislation is now a lot tougher if you actively try to, or in fact successfully decrypt the radio traffic its jail jail jail.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course I'm just ranting now its my word against theirs and we know the police never cover up or bend the truth, so I'll be the one that's fabricating the whole incident. I'm not defending the media either they can twist things as well but they are more under public scrutiny than authorities that are be behind encryption and legislation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry but I just cant accept that the IPCA gets ALL the facts................all the time.
>>>>> Oh yeah and my favourite Police Officer quote that's used when they don't want the media there........"You'll be arrested for obstruction"........ As you stand in a public place outside a cordon while the general public are walking through. Don't believe me.................It all on video...................numerous times.............Especially the Halswell Road Christchurch fatal police chase. I have seen the video with my own eyes. I prefer to believe what I see and not what I'm told thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we will never agree because as your callsign infers you are a ZL1 region "cop" and I'm (maybe) the Media. Or an avid scanner listener.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Andy <zl1cop at qsl.net> wrote:
>>>>> The IPCA will release the full details once they have investigated all the
>>>>> facts, not just those that make a good headline. If you are sufficiently
>>>>> interested you won't mind waiting a while in order to get the real story.
>>>>> Despite claims to the contrary it is not the role of the media to keep
>>>>> anyone "in check".
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz
>>>>> [mailto:thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Austin
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 5 December 2010 7:08 p.m.
>>>>> To: thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TheList] Listening to other stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> Overnight police chase in Auckland obviously not heard on the scanners (No
>>>>> surprises) Strangely enough no media release and only witnesses say the
>>>>> police were involved. Phone calls to police were very vague on the full
>>>>> details.
>>>>> Welcome to the new world of spin and tell them only what they need to
>>>>> hear.......No more Media earwigging to keep various organisations in check.
>>>>>
>>>>> I welcome your comments :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
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