[TheList] Listening to other stuff.

Tue Dec 7 09:55:26 AEDT 2010

To the participants in this discussion,

I certainly do not condone the use of bad language, Eespecially the
historical comment made by tenzero or similar usarname/email about the Boy
racer court case thats uncalled for.
I do not condone abuse or personal attacks here I'm simply engaging in
"meaningful discussion"
Thank you.

Steve

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Scott Palmer <scott at scottpalmer.com> wrote:

> Well said Kevin.
>
> Come on guys, have your opinion but do it politely.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> On 7/12/2010, at 11:29, Kevin Cosgrove <krcosgrove at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This list is getting a bit out of hand.
>
> The language leaves a lot to be desired and shows why these people have
>  wrong attitude to authority.  With the way they talk perhaps they have come
> up on the wrong side of the law
>
> Clean up your act or leave the list.  It was never like this before
>
> Ciao
>
> Kevin
> On 7/12/2010, at 11:08 AM, Mike Bailey wrote:
>
>  kiwi56,
>
> As someone who works with the Police regularly (Community Patrol), I feel
> your calling of the Police "pigs" and "arseholes" tends to rub off on me as
> well.
>
> With an attitude like that, its no wonder it seems you get targeted.
>
> Grow up.
>
> Cheers
> Mike
>
> On 7/12/2010 10:51, kiwi56 wrote:
>
> Steve
>
> I totally agree with everything you say. Before they went digital you would
> hear the comms operator say if there is any danger blah blah you are to end
> pursuit. Wonder if they are still saying that ha not likely.
> Most of the pigs out there are young cowboys who think they can be right
> arseholes to anyone they choose.
> Give them a patrol car and they think they can do what they like.
> Here is another good thing they say we are not revenue collecting what a
> load of bullshit I actually had a cop admit that he had been told by his
> sergeant to go to a certain intersection on outskirts of queenstown and book
> anyone who went through the stop sign.
> I pulled up at this intersection and stopped but my wheels rolled over the
> line of the stop markings so what happened the young arsehole pulled me up
> and booked me $250 and then I find out after I paid it that he had no right
> to book me for a start as I had stopped at the intersection and plus the
> fine should have only been $150
> Some of the cops that are in wellington are nothing but smart-arsed little
> pricks who think because they have a uniform they can be arseholes.
> As for police chases back when we could listen in they knew they could not
> get away with a lot because of people listening but no they are not
> answerable to us so they can do what they like and they do do what they
> like.
> I actually think it is the worst thing they could do was go digital but
> never mind it has happened now.
>
> Getting back to scanning I see telescum are having problems with the paging
> system for the fire service.
> My son is a volunteer at Wainuiomata and he was saying that their pagers
> went off the other night but only some of them got the page and this has
> been happening quite regularly so they have now gone back to sounding the
> siren for any calls at any time.
> Last night Kilbirnie had the same problem so it is about time that someone
> got up telecom and told them to fix their systems
> .
> They are a pack of bullshitters as their add for XT with their CEO is down
> in Glenorchy and he says ah buggar and then says just kidding that the
> network works down there well it does not. I actually worked on the network
> when it was being tested and we tested right up to the end of the lake and
> then across the other side down to the route-burn track and there was never
> any signal up there and there still is not.
> The reason why their network failed earlier in the year was not Alcatel
> fault but Telecoms as they were told that they needed to test the network
> more and that they need more sites etc and they took no notice and then when
> it fell over they blamed Alcatel.
> Bloody typical
>
> kiwi56
>
>
> On 12/7/2010 10:25 AM, Steve Austin wrote:
>
> Andy,
>
> Oh Really? then why I ask was the press release delayed? Why did it not
> contain the full details within the average time of the incident that other
> serious accidents are reported by the police?
> I point out that the 1st crash was the evening before....NO Press release
> about it. The second crash was approximately 12:30 and the press release
> about both crashes was sent out at 17:59 in time to miss the 6pm news how
> unusual. Spin I say eh? Tell them only what they need to know and control
> release it. Fortunately for the media the ambulance and fire were called so
> they got their details from them. Why is there pressure from the police
> quarters to encrypt their systems as well ? Not just digital but encrypted.
>
> Why did I witnessed (In 2006) 7 police cars involved in following an
> offender when police policy is for two on numerous occasions. Why was I
> stopped by police whilst enroute to the end result of a pursuit incident
> where 5 police cars were damaged.I wonder who blatantly blurted over the
> radio "stop that media guy from getting to the scene" so I was stopped and
> checked by police on a random stop at 3am in the morning on a deserted
> suburban street that took about 15 minutes where they, rightfully I might
> add, checked my licence, tyres, warrant, registration label, breath tested,
> checked my lights and then I waited while the details came back to them on
> the radio which were incidently delivered quite fast but the officers chose
> to sit in their car for 5 minutes and radio back to the incident to make
> sure that the scene was cleared.......I then got a fantastic escort to the
> crash scene by no other than the NZ police making sure that I belted up,
> signalled and did not exceed 50KM/H.
> The above incident is only one of many...but I don't want to bore people
> with my stories.
>
> Yeah I know I broke the law acting on Information arrest me. The
> legislation is now a lot tougher if you actively try to, or in fact
> successfully decrypt the radio traffic its jail jail jail.
>
> Of course I'm just ranting now its my word against theirs and we know the
> police never cover up or bend the truth, so I'll be the one that's
> fabricating the whole incident. I'm not defending the media either they can
> twist things as well but they are more under public scrutiny  than
> authorities that are be behind encryption and legislation.
>
> Sorry but I just cant accept that the IPCA gets ALL the
> facts................all the time.
> Oh yeah and my favourite Police Officer quote that's used when they don't
> want the media there........"You'll be arrested for obstruction"........ As
> you stand in a public place outside a cordon while the general public are
> walking through. Don't believe me.................It all on
> video...................numerous times.............Especially the Halswell
> Road Christchurch fatal police chase. I have seen the video with my own
> eyes. I prefer to believe what I see and not what I'm told thanks.
>
> I think we will never agree because as your callsign infers you are a ZL1
> region "cop" and I'm (maybe) the Media. Or an avid scanner listener.
>
> Steve
>
> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Andy < <zl1cop at qsl.net>zl1cop at qsl.net>wrote:
>
>> The IPCA will release the full details once they have investigated all the
>> facts, not just those that make a good headline. If you are sufficiently
>> interested you won't mind waiting a while in order to get the real story.
>> Despite claims to the contrary it is not the role of the media to keep
>> anyone "in check".
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz>thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz
>>  [mailto: <thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz>
>> thelist-bounces at radiowiki.org.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Austin
>> Sent: Sunday, 5 December 2010 7:08 p.m.
>> To: <thelist at radiowiki.org.nz>thelist at radiowiki.org.nz
>>  Subject: Re: [TheList] Listening to other stuff.
>>
>> Overnight police chase in Auckland obviously not heard on the scanners (No
>> surprises) Strangely enough no media release and only witnesses say the
>> police were involved. Phone calls to police were very vague on the full
>> details.
>> Welcome to the new world of spin and tell them only what they need to
>> hear.......No more Media earwigging to keep various organisations in
>> check.
>>
>> I welcome  your comments :-)
>>
>> Steve
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